The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section.
Hello everyone, I'm Agent Isai, Steward at Miraheze. Stewards were called in by network bureaucrats to close this discussion in lieu of them and to carry out their enforcement. After verifying network policies, we see this request is eligible to be closed so we will now close this request. In determining consensus, Stewards carefully read each support and oppose and weighed their arguments. We also looked at network practices, conventions, and precedent, along with looking to other closures on different projects that are similar, such as Wikimedia. Some users are under the impression that number of votes = success or failure of a request. That is not always true, especially in a discussion like in Requests for Comment. Arguments constitute consensus, not votes. As such, we don't look at raw numbers alone when making a decision and take into account arguments.
The magnitude of this request has been unprecedented in the number of sheer votes. Total vote count is over 120. Network bureaucrats originally wanted us to close this vote after a week, consistent with how they would've closed it, with a simple majority after a week, but we thought it would be improper as: 1) The vote was much more contested than now and support was near 50% and 2) We wanted to make sure all users were informed of the vote and had a voice so as such, we left it open for a while longer. Nearly three weeks have passed since then and even globally interested users with no stake in the projects have brought their arguments forth and have allowed for a wider view into more points of view for the consideration of voters. Seeing that nearly a month since this request was opened has passed, we are now closing this request.
Since then, the support ratio has rose to 62% and not too many new developments have occured. Since then too, the network has become more unstable with disputes occurring on Discord and on the wiki. One user described the entire network as nearly falling into a state of anarchy. Mass resignations have occurred since then and the network as a whole has been plunged into a state of disagreements, back and forth, and a general sentiment of gloominess is present. We also note that some users who have exhibited a form of severe attachment to the project. While we understand that users may be passionate about the project, some have taken this to a new degree. We note that one user threatened to kill themselves and another suggested that they wouldn't be surprised if "protests" or "riots" occurred in our headquarters if this request were successful. This form of attachment is quite severe. Your life is not worth a wiki network so users who share similar sentiment should take time away from the wikis in general. While all of this wasn't taken into consideration when making our decision, we do note that the network has been shaky since this request was opened and that unusual attachment has been noted.
Whenever I read a Request for Comments, I like to read the opposing side's arguments first and then read the supporters arguments to see how each addresses the Request for Comments and either supports or counters it, moreso in this situation where this request affects multiple wikis. The opposing side argues mainly that by closing the wikis, they would lose their friendships and connections, that editing is fun, that 9 years of work would go down the drain, and that perhaps stricter moderation is needed. The supporters of this Request for Comments argued that reform attempts in the past have failed, that they agree that the impact on Miraheze has been a lot, that community instability and deteriorating quality of pages have made the wiki a place of great turmoil and that the wiki network has strayed from its original intent and goal.
Opposers of this request cite sentimental concerns tied to the closure of these wikis. These wikis have been open for a considerable amount of time and thus, friendships have been formed and with these wikis closing, some worry that they'll lose touch with contributors. That concern is valid, we understand. Others worry that the contributions of many years would be lost and that their hard work would be no more. Both points are valid and users are allowed to feel that way. I too would be sad if a project I contributed to for many years were to be shutdown. However, not many opposers addressed the main points of the request. The request cited that the wikis, whose goal was to provide two viewpoints in a neutral manner on why X subject is generally well-liked or not, was sometimes taken to an extreme and not balanced with personal views mixing in rather than describing why a subject is praised in general in certain fields and disliked in general in other fields. Opposers cited focused more the sentimental value of these wikis but few provided ways in which the wikis can be improved. There is without a doubt many ways these wikis can be improved and changes such as introducing the Moderation extension to all Qualitipedia wikis which was one attempt however, reforms seem to have not worked too much per what can be seen. Specific ways to improve the project would've been well received but were not proposed
The supporters of this proposal, on the other hand, have made an argument in favor of closing the project which focused on citing that previous attempts to reform the project have failed, that the image of Miraheze has been affected, and that the userbase has become untenable and reforms would be hard to implement with the current userbase. Former and current administrators of the project have agreed with these points and have stated that previous attempts to fix these issues such as implementing Moderation, policy changes, and other have failed. Most agree too that Miraheze's image has been affected by some users who do not know the boundaries between Miraheze and Qualitipedia (though this should not have been as focused on, this request should have primarily focus on the issues on this project rather than global issues which Stewards could've worked with administrators on). The majority of supports also agreed that the community is unstable and in turmoil, some have said that they have been harrassed because of their involvement in these wikis, others that the user base is sometimes rude and insulting, and others that drama plagues the wiki and have made improvements hard.
Taking arguments into consideration, it appears that the supports of this request have argued more than the opposers on why the project should be closed and have made a more solid point. Many opposers to the request did not propose too many ways to improve the project other than basic and vague proposals. DeeM28 did offer an interesting proposal - reorganization. Indeed, many agree that a full reorganization of Qualitipedia projects would be needed and many suggest that to do this, a project closure is required in order to reset these wikis from scratch. These wikis do evidently need a reform based on the comments of many users who cite examples of dysfunction within this system
Having all this in mind and after consulting this with current and former Stewards so as to allow for more viewpoints, this request is successful with a 62% support ratio. This was not a decision we made lightly and was only done after considering all viewpoints and potential alternatives. All wikis within the Qualitipedia network will be closed, locked, and a data dump of their database will be made available at the request of the bureaucrats. Stewards will oversee their closure and will announce a plan for the sunsetting of the projects soon. We will allow for ample time for pages to be downloaded and network bureaucrats have pledged to allow for database dump downloads to allow for these projects to potentially be archived or revived somewhere else. Please do not request wikis which seek to recreate these wikis. Direct content forks of these wikis constitutes a violation of our Content Policy which prohibits forks which have a substantial amount of content forked from another Miraheze wiki. Doing that will incur in a violation of the policy and potential closure of the wiki.
We understand that this may come as a disappointment to some users but we note that database dumps of these wikis will be available and users will be able to host these projects or archive them off Miraheze so contributions will not be lost. If you have any questions, please contact me via my talk page. Agent Isai (talk) 01:59, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
It's no big mystery that Qualitipedia is in a really poor state, with the staff and the userbase in general declining more and more as time goes on. However, there's a second reason that's even bigger, and is problematic for Miraheze as a whole. Let's go over these two reasons as to why QP is better off closed at this point:
The problems with QP itself
The Overall Purpose of These Wikis
I have begun to see the wikis as of late as a network that is not only a mess, but can’t even get its own concept right. People have said many times the Discord server is the better place so hanging there is much more common. And from my observations, this leads to the wikis getting barely any attention from administration despite Discord being necessary to actually communicate.
On the subject of the Discord, it’s been mentioned many times that the wikis aren’t made to be reliable. This directly clashes with the idea of using reception and pointers to explain why something is good or bad. And at the same time almost all pages are written from someone who likes or dislikes said media. So it’s actually never from an unbiased viewpoint (and the wikis constantly push users to not be biased with their claims) unless the page is written by someone who actually hasn’t consumed said media and did their research. But why try to write from an unbiased view when they aren’t meant to be for useful information? The perceived point is to write pages to discuss why the general audience liked or disliked something. But this said perceived point seems to have have been deliberately rejected. So it ends up with a clusterfuck of people trying to be “professional” about it and people who just write to gosh about their experiences. TigerBlazer (talk) 14:16, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
Failed Attempts at Improvement
For a long while we have been giving people false hope about the future of these wikis. Ever since June of 2021, people like TigerBlazer and Raidarr have stepped up to point out the flaws that existed in the foundation of Qualitipedia. However, for every problem that was fixed, new ones continued to come about afterward and still do to this day.
No thanks to a growing userbase and declining staff integrity, several toxic aspects are allowed to fester like biased page writing (which is unavoidable due to the structure outlined in the above section) and people constantly fighting over how to edit. The fact that this is something that occurs frequently on these wikis goes to show how unstable things have become despite reform proposals. Additions made to correct these mistakes (the moderation extension, altering the front pages, etc.) have been met with mixed reception at best and are highly contentious at worst. The broken system even allowed for incompetent admins to rise to power and make things worse. It's gotten so bad that even those that once tried to salvage the wikis (ie the names I mentioned above) have grown jaded and are quickly losing hope. Even Grust, the one who started the original reception wiki line, declared that he was through with the wikis after an incompetent admin blew a comment out of proportion and twisted it to make Grust look like a pedophile (this happened as Grust was wary of QP's reform and was willing to bail should any drama occur). To summarize, Qualitipedia has become top heavy with a buttload of problems, and whatever we try to relieve ourselves of these problems is outweighed by a continuous growth of issues, so it would be best to put these wikis out to pasture and help Miraheze's reputation heal. Marxo Grouch (talk) 16:36, 27 August 2022 (UTC)
The problems Miraheze has been facing
This is the main reason for why they should close. Miraheze, the ones hosting the QP wikis, has been facing a rather huge burden ever since QP moved to Miraheze. Their reputation has been tainted pretty badly because of the wikis, with a lot of people now hating Miraheze itself even though they have no involvement with QP aside from hosting them, and a lot of QP's problems getting blamed unfairly on Miraheze. For example, this blog is claiming that Miraheze needs improving, yet all of the pointers are about QP and not Miraheze. Agent Isai, one of the Miraheze stewards, sent a DM to Bukkit detailing PR issues Miraheze has been facing because of QP, particularly people mistaking Miraheze for Qualitipedia and harassing the Miraheze staff as a result. This message can be seen here.
Another problem for Miraheze is that a good majority of vandalism, suckpuppeting, LTAs, etc. originate from QP, especially from insanely persistent vandals in the past such as -abigblueworld- or RollOverTheFloor. One example of this being acknowledged in addition to many other mentions about this is in this RfC on Miraheze Meta. Miraheze staff members having to intervene and undo vandalism from types of accounts on the wikis is also a fairly common occurrence. In fact, vandalism at one point got so bad on the show wikis that one of the Miraheze staff had to watch the wikis for a while. While this isn't much of an issue anymore thanks to the moderation extension, the extension has unfortunately proven to be rather unpopular among users and even some staff and will likely get removed in the future via RfC. By removing the moderation extension, it will result in vandalism becoming a problem again, making the situation with the extension to be a lose-lose situation in the end.
I'm sure there's other smaller factors aside from the two biggest examples I've mentioned, but hopefully you all get the message about the trouble Miraheze has been facing. I know that closing QP isn't going to be easy, but it hasn't been easy for the Miraheze staff to keep them up either due to all of the problems they face because of QP, and by closing QP, it would take a lot off of their plates. --Blazikeye535 (talk) 23:08, 29 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support: As proposer. Also, a little heads up: regardless of this RfC's outcome, I will retire from QP. --Blazikeye535 (talk) 22:51, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support: Per my contribution to this RfC, everyone here has been living under false hope. Even when we tried making improvements to Qualitipedia, new problems continued to come about. Many of them have been allowed to fester and have grown so bad that more and more people have been leaving the wikis (there have been six staff resignations in August alone, including myself). This doesn't bode well for the future, as I am thinking this cycle will continue should the wikis stay open. Not to mention the wikis' losing struggle to find purpose, claiming to not be a reliable source yet trying to justify where a work goes when the pointers will always be from one person's POV. Hell, even the Miraheze staff want to get Qualitipedia off of the platform to end the negative press they've been receiving because of QP. Frankly, this is because "QP = Miraheze" is dominant among outsiders, made very apparent by this blog post. These wikis have become too much trouble nowadays, so putting them down would be a huge load off everyone's backs. Marxo Grouch (talk) 23:27, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support Being a problem that affects the platform where it's hosted on makes me wanna vote support. Skeletacean (talk) 00:25, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Support QP always claims it's tryna improve, yet it hardly ever improves. Maybe this move is for the better. DarthMaul570 (talk) 00:50, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support:After all these years, they still kinda feel like a drama pit, and these sites make us all look like enterbots, I mean, Atrocious YouTubers Wiki had one of the worst reputations out of all wikis, and it even got to the point where they had to close Atrocious YouTubers, Toxic Fandoms & Hatedoms, Rotten Websites, and so on and so fourth, I mean, those sites were already bad enough, and on topic of being bad enough, people outside Miraheze view the wiki farm as a place for enterbots, and therefore, I feel like if these sites close, Miraheze as a whole can become better. RoboticBloxxer (talk) 02:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Support I know I retired from Qualitipedia a few days ago as shown on my blog here, however, I think it's good to give it a shot to do my final RfC vote here before actually doing it for good, so here's my statement on this: Qualitipedia has overall tarnished the reputation of Miraheze as a whole to the point even the Miraheze staff themselves wanted to get them off their platform as pointed out by Marxo above, which leads to people associating that "QP = Miraheze", in fact, any types of "improvement" that was done to these wikis simply damaged and fucked it up even more, which is one of the reasons why I lost hope for Qualitipedia nowadays (but not Miraheze themselves), and that the userbase obviously isn't any better, although I was planning to abstain this as I felt it wasn't ready at first. 03:00, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support This is probably gonna be my ONLY Qualitipedia edit of 2022 but I wanted these wikis gone so bad and I felt bad for accusing the founder of pedophilia and then getting cancelled, these wikis were stressful and it's hard to make pages sometimes. There is a this and that and even then, I got stalked on DeviantArt because of them, so in conclusion I want them gone. Besides, I moved to Reddit and Fandom and those sites are beyond better in my personal side, I want Miraheze to be it's own wiki farm and NOT for opinions. We have legit reviewers and review sites for a reason and these wikis are far from redeeming. DuchessTheSponge (talk) 03:00, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Weak support Honestly, with these issues, the closer makes sense. However, this is just cutting ties from people who are constructive editors, including me. The wiki needs to be like Wikipedia if I’m honest, and wikis are NOT supposed to be reliable. Wikis are kinda a hobby for me and I don’t want them all erased. In this case, I rather move QP to a new wiki hosting site, or even move back to Fandom as we got of the majority of the political bias removed. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 04:25, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
An additional note I want to point out is that if this RFC passes, there can be talks to bring some wikis back independently without involvement of QP, like with the character and toys wikis. For example, if the TV Show and Movie wikis both get reopened shortly after closing, I'm interested in having the rights to those wikis. Just independently though like I said. This is because I have an interest in screen content. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 07:19, 31 August 2022 (UTC) Changing to an oppose. Explained below. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 17:25, 31 August 2022 (UTC) ANOTHER UPDATE: After what the founder of QP said, my thoughts have tragically changed. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 20:07, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support Even if I still worked on Qualitipedia, I might plan to retired Qualitipedia soon once it was shut down, since this ruined the reputation of Miraheze for its drama baiting. LancedSoul (talk) 05:14, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Support It wouldn't hurt for me to see Qualitipedia go. I already explained everything in better detail on my resignment blog, but the place is just nothing but toxicity. I mean, don't get me wrong, I've met some great people here, but then I've also met some irritating ones too, like MarioBobFan, SonicFTW, RickERB23, etc. Every bit of hope I once had for Qualitipedia is completely gone now. My hope for the place was long gone before August happened, but when I did leave back in August 10, I had a tiny bit of hope that maybe it would improve itself, but turns out that wasn't the case at all, if anything, Qualitipedia has just gotten 10 times worse since I left. And at this point, I can't see it digging out the rabbit hole that it is stuck in now. JigglypuffGuy04 (talk) 06:08, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Weak support OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH my God. Idk what to think of this... I'm only supporting this because that way, it wouldn't put everyone under much stress regarding all the flooding of sockpuppets, lack of moderation and recent drama that's been happening. If it happens then that's fine. I'm not worried. We've been at sake of trying to improve the platform for the better and nothing's come out of it. And seeing how the population is reducing a lot lately, I can see why this is put in place. It is kind of a risk though, because, yes, there is the Discord server, but apart from that, then what does that leave us with? What else is in front of us?- YouKonade 10:27, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support I was initially unsure about even casting a vote, since I felt I wasn't qualified or in good enough standing to do so, but after sleeping on it I've decided to go ahead. This is from the perspective of someone not in the Qualitipedia community, but instead someone who uses non reception wikis on Miraheze and has seen the effects they have directly and indirectly caused. I'm not going to attempt to explain these issues, last time I did I was really immature about it, but what this RFC says is exactly what I think and I agree entirely with it, hence my strongest support. Excuse me for how long this turned out, I'm passionate about how I feel about this.
The point I agree most with the shutting down of Qualitipedia is the one that addresses that the wikis have damaged Miraheze itself. Its own host. The Discord message by Agent Isai has really stuck out to me, and it's a point some of the opposers to closure may have not noticed or fully understood. Qualitipedia/reception wikis are damaging Miraheze's PR due to their actions and the amount of problems. Some uninformed people even call them 'Miraheze Reception Wikis', 'Miraheze Wikis' or even simply 'Miraheze' all of which are not only wrong, but bordering on misinformation. Yes, it's misinformed, and people are wrong to think this, but the blame cannot just be put on them being misinformed, and it can't be put all on the user reception wikis/outcast network, because they are long gone in their concrete form, but the hate Miraheze gets as shown by Agent Isai's Discord comment clearly hasn't gone. No matter how you slice it, Qualitipedia and the rest of the unbranded reception wikis are bothering Miraheze to this very day.
Checking the steward's and community noticeboards, which is supposed to be the centre for everything on Miraheze, you'll see as the archives pile up just how many times Stewards have been pestered by reception wiki users bringing drama to the Meta wiki and making it staff's problem, sometimes outnumbering requests like translation help, extension help, general wiki questions, intervention when users accidently delete rights group and need stewards to add them again, etc. Nobody's perfect, everyone needs help sometimes, but when it's this much from a small percentage of wikis, then it's worrying. And that's nothing to say of the amount of vandalism that the stewards have to deal with from these wikis. I've seen how much has to get reported. Literal lists of users. I know Qualitipedia isn't the only place that ever gets vandalised. One way or another, every wiki does. It's the sheer numbers. As far as I know, reception wikis only take up a small percentage of the number of wikis Miraheze hosts, yet issues related to them outnumber a lot of other wikis. This goes for the Wiki Requests Queue as well. I have seen users attempting to restart or duplicate reception wikis, and no matter how many times they are rejected, they still keep getting requested. It's not fair on stewards, it's not fair on other users, and it's not fair on the wiki creators.
You know what else it's not fair on? Miraheze. As a wiki farm. I have never experienced one major issue so far with Miraheze technically save for database errors, but those got fixed quickly. I wouldn't call it perfect, but it's miles better than Fandom. I'm not going to sugarcoat this, I think Fandom is hot garbage nowadays. Every update seems to make it worse. But Miraheze? It's getting better and better with every new version. The amount of customisation, extensions, general freedom wikis have, all of which unpaid and ad free, is astounding, and I'm shocked Fandom is even still standing. So it's really unfair Miraheze has to take responsibility for this. It's kind of a cruel, sick joke, actually. The farm did nothing to deserve this, they only hosted them. And this is what it gets in return? Bad PR? In the world of wikis, Miraheze should be getting recognition for how good it is. But instead, it's being scorned and looked down upon just because of wiki networks who have to be so problematic - and loud about it - that it breaks the very boundaries it stands on. It's an injustice. I have never once heard of any other case of wikis actively hurting the farm they are hosted on. They didn't even take over the reputation of Fandom. Miraheze deserves to be recognised as wonderful, the standard that all wiki farms should aspire to be, and not considered one giant reception wiki, not Reception Wiki Land, not having to take responsibility for every word that reception wiki users write. It's absurd.
Consider this. Miraheze lives on donations, not ads, to be a free service. I'll be donating to them myself. If Miraheze was permanantly associated with reception wikis and all the trouble they've brought to the table, what if people no longer donated because they thought Miraheze was responsible? Donations probably come from older and wiser people, but rumours and misinformation can be devastating. Without donations, all of the wikis would close, not just Qualitipedia.
This is for the people opposing the shutdown of the wikis because they like them or they think they can improve - by wanting them to stay because you like them, you're letting the wikis stay a burden on a farm, stewards, wiki creators and other users that they don't deserve. If you cared about Miraheze, about how other people feel, you'd let the QP staff remove them from this service. Raichu's Endless Nights (talk) 12:19, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support I think it's best to close them, because even if we try to improve them, i very highly doubt it will work, As the years go by the wikis are kep getting worse. Mr. Dready (talk) 2:42 PM, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support You are absolutely right on this point and I agree with the closure of Qualitipedia, which unfortunately we are unable to make this place ever better. I would like to say right away that these Wikis have also been fused by me, that due to many of my bad decisions in terms of articles management and my immature behavior towards some od the users. But the main reason I don't see the point for its existence is because absolutely every article is not objective - the truth is that everything we wrote was based on our opinions or someone else's. Even if you want to keep the concept of crappy/awesome media, the definitive solution would be removing the whole Why It Sucks/Rocks and Redeeming/Bad Qualities sections from any single article because as I said, it's subjective. Everyone who still visit Qualitipedia, should use their own brain to make your own opinion, instead od relying on someone else's opinion. Peace. —Allistayrian (💬) 14:48, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Support These were the very wikis that got me into Miraheze as a whole [via the now-closed Rotten Websites Wiki], all the way back in 2020. Seeing this RFC two years later, to close the very wikis that got me into reading wikis... well, I'm mixed on it, especially since I've personally liked what this wiki has to offer and they've given me insight into a variety of things, helping me form opinions I wouldn't have otherwise. However, even as someone who's not a contributor [past or present] and instead relegates themselves to reading these wikis, I've seen how far the wikis have fallen, and how much their flaws have shown and will continue to show/get worse for as long as they stay open. Many people outside of and within QP sure as hell don't have a positive impression of these wikis [in their current state]. Understandably so, for issues that people have pointed out before me. And while a lot of the bad press Miraheze gets because of this wiki farm is frankly people being unreasonable [again, pot calling kettle black], the fact it's even happening in the first place simply speaks volumes on how much of a bad state these wikis are in. Admittedly, I am thankful for the fact that there will be an XML dump of this wiki so that nothing is lost forever [should this RFC pass], and would not be opposed to seeing it again with significant reform, but sometimes the only path to victory is through loss. Here, I feel that it is what must be done, especially given the magnitude of the issues here. War Incarnate (talk) 16:52, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support I think closing Qualitipedia is a best idea since this wiki has a ling history of drama caused by a bunch of users who insults each other, criticise any people for things an everyday person does and making pages based on their personal view Jo86775869754 (talk) 17:19, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Support - change da world my final message. Goodbye Juan90980 (talk) 16:42, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support I have moved on from the wikis a long, LONG time ago and am mostly focusing on other things now. However, these wikis have not only ruined the reputation of Miraheze itself, but have participated in witchhunts (i.e: Ducchess being stalked on dA) and have ruined lives as well. I'm surprised the people who run Miraheze still allow such a community to associate with them, even after all the community's actions have damaged their reuputation. -Typh00nCycl0ned (talk) 17:51, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support It's Grust. I know I said I would never return and I stand by that but I've been paying attention to what's been going on with Qualitipedia since I've been gone from the ummm "ugliness" last year so I decided to make a new account temporarily. I've been going back to reread my old blogs on Qualitipedia which kept me up to date on QP news. Though I can't forgive what happened last year (And don't go blaming Duchess or Sporeshroom as the sole reason as I've seen Duchess' talk page last year as everyone that believed it are just as guilty though I can forgive individually and have mostly forgotten what was written) I kept some hope that what happened would be a learning experience and the wikis would redeem themselves. Then Tigerblazer announced his first departure when he said that 80% of the users were very toxic. What little hope I had left died and I started to not only hate my own creation but I grew to regret making it. Then SuperStreetKombat made a blog announcing a week off claiming to have gotten rape threats for doing their job. Then another user left for good citing death threats over disagreements. Then I saw Luuka's blog on AGW wiki. If what he said about the umm subject matter is true, it made the incident last year completely meaningless rendering the fourth paragraph of my farewell blog worthless. And finally we have August where you lost nearly 6 users some of which were admins or bureacrats. And I'm a regular at ThePackagedReviewers YouTube video and not only pointed out how toxic the community has become but how boring they were as well with so many excessive rules for making a page making the wikis feel more like a business than a place for fun. Like I said I didn't want this place to be professional, I wanted it to be a place for fun. And sadly yes, your reputation has now gotten so bad Miraheze is suffering as well and from what I'm hearing even the Miraheze staff don't even like QP very much. Even if this RFC fails, with more good users leaving and toxicity increasing, I'm pretty sure eventually the staff will close you down anyway. So no matter what I think QP is doomed anyway. ElementalHeroes (talk) 18:18, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strong support To be honest, these wikis weren't needed in the first place since critics don't usually stop people from enjoying the thing. While The Angry Birds Movie received mixed reviews from critics, I loved the movie. Of course, many things have flaws but they don't stop you from continuing it. People have opinions. Reece2o19 (talk) 19:41, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support After reading from what Grust said, I'm now fully supporting the closure. The userbase is almost filled to the brim with alt-righters who would brain wash people with their own propaganda. In fact, an incident happened in the 101DS community in September 2021 because of the brainwashing from QP, which resulted me getting banned from the Discord server. Not only that, but some of the users I have met are a pain in the back like ThisWas for an example. So yeah, even if I do miss the wikis, this has to be done. Also, I might revive the wikis without involvement from QP but that might wait for now. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 20:07, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
ANOTHER THOUGHT: I changed my mind. I will not reopen the wikis independently. The wikis themselves have gotten worse over the years, and reviving them won't change much at all. Sure, not everything is perfect, everyone has flaws, but the toxicity here is worse than then TLH fandom. So yeah, even if this RFC passes or not, I will retire from the wikis. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 02:22, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Support I've completely lost faith in Qualitipedia since April this year. These wikis just make Miraheze look like the site for Reception Wikis, and it completely misses the point, it's supposed to be a wiki hosting platform much like Fandom and ShoutWiki. At this point, I don't actually care about my final page anymore. TheShinyLucarioMaster (talk) 20:20, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
SupportBasically every point raised by the proposer(s) and regulars. Forgive me if my vote isn't very argumentative as it should be. I just want to get these wikis off myself at last. Zangler (talk) 20:33, 31 August 2022 (UTC) Alright, all I want to say is that we not only as contributors but as people make an effort to listen to what the others have to say, and in the case of this RfC I find it unbelievably disrespectful that so many oppose votes ignore the trivial points raised by the proposers just because they can't move on and accept that Qualitipedia is inherently damaged and is damaging others. If the reader of this vote hasn't changed their mind, at least consider taking a look at TigerBlazer or ChrisTheCat73's support votes seen far below, as in my honest opinion they express everything you surely need to know that closure is for the best. 20:03, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support: Qualitipedia has completely tarnished Miraheze's image, and IMHO the concept of opinion-based wikis does not work. Think about it, opinions are subjective. Those could've easily been expressed in blogs or something. And some of the users are... pretty bad, needless to say. I still can't believe it's been almost a decade since these wikis--er, I mean, sites, started. Trevor807 (talk) 22:57, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Hi, Trevor. Hope you're not mad at me for what happened last year. SuperStreetKombat (talk)) 22:58, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support Even though, I'm not usually active on Qualitipedia that much as everyone. I think I had made a decision that it's best that we should close Qualitipedia once more, since the majority of the staff including some users agreed that we should close Qualitipedia as most of these pages are kinda biased, heck one DeviantArt user even claimed that it also triggers them. But besides we have different opinions, but because of the controversial events that happened over the website, It is best that I decided to strongly support this request of comment as I definitely agree to all of the points as said in the RfC. But we all have some good times though, but we need to set things apart. Quixolite (talk)) 01:23, 1, September 2022 (UTC)
Support I used to think it was a fun site where I could put movies and have reasons why they're good/bad. But many things started to go hell, and it's so bad that the founder regretted founded them. Worst of all, all of the drama over little things, and more people leave. Opinion's aren't fact, like I said. In fact, for days, I've actually wanted to stay a bit longer, but I begin to feel less and less happy and more interest on here. Worst of all, like Duchess, I got some harassment from them, and I already aware about that. On second thought, I agreed with everyone else, and I felt the wikis had It run its course. :( Stephenfisher2001 (talk) 01:40, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Support: Unfortunately, given how Qualtipedia has become a huge mess in recent years, I feel that shutting it down may be our only option at this point. MatthewThePrep (talk) 02:28, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support Unfortunately, the idea of Qualitipedia and reception wikis have poorly executed and I feel like it would be better if Qualitipedia gets closed. If I would give out examples, these would be: Qualitipedia do get one-sided just like any other mainstream medias. Like a show having terrible animation and plot but without knowing that people enjoys the show because of these reasons (this also applies for controversial medias except for which deserved a negative treatment). Even worse, during when Grust administered these wikis, Qualitipedia was heavily anti-SJW and pro-GamerGate (without knowing that GamerGate had awful points such as doxxing, and harassment, and not even being backed by GamerGate), and we still got remnants of GamerGate apologism on our pages even if we try to get rid of politics of Qualitipedia. When reviewing media, Qualitipedia never been primary and always get surpassed by other professional reviewers. We we actually haven't been professional at all. These are all I can say for now, this response will be updated as more reasons will be added. — TheArdArda (talk) 12:18 (GMT +3:00), 1 September 2022.
Why I should take what I said back? — TheArdArda (talk) 17:38 (GMT +3:00), 1 September 2022.
TheArdArda is actually saying the truth. Like I said before, most toxic users are from the alt-right. In fact, I had become a liberal in recent days due to the response from Grust. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 12:36, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
I mean the politics (both left and right wingers (but not all of them though)) was hurting not only for entertainment industry, but for Social media and websites too. but it doesn't mean this website alt-right and if I see some toxic alt-right members here and damaged the reputation of Qualitipedia. Despite we against both toxic left-wingers and right-wingers in this site. Obi-Wan Skywalker86 (Talk) 14:14, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
After I read the arguements, it boosted my support for closure of Qualitipedia since DuchessTheSponge being stalked (which is not acceptible), Grust, inventor of the reception wikis have despised his own creation, and have tarnished Miraheze's reputation. — TheArdArda (talk) 17:38 (GMT +3:00), 1 September 2022.
keep in mind duchess' stalking accusation is not backed up by anything. accusations like these are very serious and should be supported by some evidence, else it's a "listen and believe" situation. just saying "i was stalked so yea" feels almost like a joke. Yonydesk (talk) 16:19, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Never forget what happened to me last year due to "listen and believe!" I will never forgive that one. ElementalHeroes (talk) 21:21, 1 September 2022 (UTC)ElementalHeroes
Strongest support This is probably the only time I will ever make a comment on these wikis, but during the drama between SephSpace and Qualitipedia, I became good friends with the so-called "traitors" and truly began to realize what a shithole these wikis really are. I will admit, I actually was somewhat interested in the site back when I first saw it on Miraheze after seeing the article on Modern Family Guy on the Terrible TV Shows Wiki. It was refreshing to see a review site that actually bothered to go against the masses and give the criticism some media deserves. However, over the last couple years, I began to see some serious issues with how these wikis operated, largely on the fact that these types of sites will never be able to form a consistent opinion due to differing opinions over certain subjects (look at what happened to Pokemon Sword and Shield and Super Mario 3D All-Stars, for instance). Plus, there's the fact that some wikis are, and I say this honestly, retarded. I mean, seriously, a wiki about praising or criticizing fictional characters? What the actual fuck?! It wasn't until the Grust incident that, basically exposed the users for what they are. After seeing so many critics of the wikis get banned, that was the final straw for me. I searched for every source that criticized these wikis and made them no better then the rest of the people they criticize. Unfortunately, that ended up getting into its own drama as well. These wikis may have been a neat concept on paper, but as you can see, it ends up creating nothing but a hotbed of drama. I honestly feel pity on Miraheze for having to put up with these "wikis" for so long, as it's actually a pretty good alternative wiki. I even frequent a few wikis myself on there, like All The Tropes and Real Life Villains Wiki. However, these wikis have dragged its reputation through the mud, and everything anyone has done only made it worse. I think it's time to end this website's suffering, and close down these wikis for good. DemonDragon77 (talk) 16:16, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support While my credibility is ruined by what I've done, it's still important to consider everyone's views. I have many testimonies about the way the Reception Wikis went. I've worked for the Wikis for 3 years from 2018-2021, and I've seen it turn from a decently reliable source to a neckbeard training camp. At its zenith in 2019, it had a high potential to become one of the next official review sites even if its true colors was merely hidden well due to the Outcast Network that kept drama away from the mainline. Unfortunately, it turned out to be a necessary evil as the drama spilled over into the mainline Wikis and sent them in a civil war in the last quarter of 2020. All solidarity between users has been broken now that they blame the Outcast Network for their own problems instead of taking responsibility. Every last ditch attempt to save the Wikis have never had the desired effect (including the crackdown on my insurrection on June 2, 2021. It's like the Tiananmen Square massacre of the Reception Wikis and is almost on the same day), and the time I got banned from the Discord server for my allegiance with Rama while favoring Mar the pedo was the straw that broke the camel's back. I can empathize with those that want the Wikis to stay, but please understand this. These Wikis have degraded into an encho chamber between lifeless shitheads. You guys must move on with your life as I did. Accept that things have to be this way, and I'll put my biases aside to support those disaffected by the potential closure. I'll help you write better, be more civil, find your talents, etc. You guys now have seen how I've changed for the better. Love, Robert. Portrock1566 (talk) 17:06, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Speaking of the failed attempts, keeping the Wikis alive is a fight for nostalgia/the past while closing them is a fight for the future. While nothing has worked to fix them, shutting them down to save Miraheze's reputation is an idea that hasn't been tried yet, so it should urgently be embraced. Portrock1566 (talk) 15:10, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Even if this RFC fails, it'll just be like all the other attempts to preserve the Wikis and the cycle would repeat. If the sites somehow survive beyond this it'll be an empty shell that's alive on outside, but dead on the inside like a corpse that can't decompose. Portrock1566 (talk) 02:25, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
In light of Bluba's addiction to the Wikis, I'd like to make an additional comment. The Wikis have bred a personality cult that's taking a toll on its followers. That's the main reason their userbase exists at all. In essence, these "Reception" Wikis are a propaganda outlet to indoctrinate innocent people. Those affected are forsaking their personal lives for their attachments to these websites. Using them in your free time is one thing but wanting to put them on your resume? That shows the long-term effects of Recepvid-20 and what it does to a motherfucker. At first, they were merely theories but but it's not until now that they've been verified. My 1 year in exile has helped spare me from this. In condemnation of these Wikis, they must be shutdown immediately and smoothly to save people from giving up on life as well as restoring the value of free will. This is my concern for you guys. Portrock1566 (talk) 03:17, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support Despite everyone's attempts of making Qualitipedia a better place, the wikis had been going downhill after the Outcast Network incident. I have dealt with many terrible users that refuse to change, despite the warnings and blocks we did to them. The King of Dice (|||) 01:13, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Even if they don't close, I will retire from them soon.The King of Dice (|||) 01:13, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Hey, Dice! Where've you been? I haven't seen you edit or even comment on the Wikis for a couple weeks! How are you? SuperStreetKombat (talk) 6:57, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Moderating a larger subreddit, school, IRL stuff, projects... I will make a blog explaining everything.. And I'm OK. Thanks for asking :). The King of Dice (|||) 13:34, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
I was anticipating your presence, given how you're one of the few users I like. Portrock1566 (talk) 02:25, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support As a proposer. A long time ago, I used to have faith. I stayed behind last year after continuous retirements and incidents to work on this project, hoping that eventually, we all could make a change. But every step we took, three steps were taken farther back. The wikis have gotten into such a broken direction that they cannot be fixed at this point. This is going to be a long support, so please, please follow me through this.
In case you somehow have not read my contribution to this RfC, please consult the section "The Overall Purpose of These Wikis". In short, this is one of the largest reasons in my book to close this place because it feels like there has never been a real focus. The views of what people think the wikis should be are not what they are treated as, with the view people think it should be ending up being an extremely shaking and subjective concept at that.
Adding on to the main point presented in the proposal, Qualitipedia itself is entirely based on opinions. While this would not be much of a problem if each page was written from the viewpoint of the author itself, the wikis try to focus around encompassing the general public's perception of a piece of media in one page, which is in itself a rather impossible task to achieve and if actually executed in that way, would cause much overlap in the writing. But most of the time, the page itself is written around the context of the person who wrote the page, and when other people come in to edit the page or change it, then often edit wars can emerge for what view is the "correct" one when in reality, there is no objective right or wrong way to view something. I feel like this adds on to the idea that the wikis are useless. Basically, general reception is usually too widespread and subjective to actually document to a list of bullet points, and if done that way it'll usually end up getting written by someone with a biased view on the subject at hand, which presents its own set of issues alone and if edits come in.
For the past year people have dogpiled with their own various ideas on how to fix the wikis without any actual plan, and any kind of plan that could have come into fruition is abandoned eventually. There is no problem with ideas of improvement, but I personally feel that so many have been taken from many various parties and applied, that it ends up becoming a mish-mash of ideas, and some of them work against each other or the perceived concept of the wikis themselves entirely. And I feel this adds on to the first bullet point I mentioned, I think all the ideas people have put into place with no actual complete plan to go forward has hurt the wikis more in the end. As much as I feel like Raidarr did to make the wikis work, he also took a good chunk of the original wiki's concept out with it. QP has basically become a Frankenstein-like form of ideas that don't really fit together, and I think many of these ideas have become so set in stone that we can't go back. Where nothing else can be improved at all.
This has been something I have talked about to multiple parties outside of the QP circle, and I feel like I should bring it up here. The fact that QP has a bad userbase is not a new thing at all. It wasn't until now that I realized the actual age of everyone here that this was the problem. In all brutal honesty for those that are not aware, Qualitipedia consists of mostly 13 to 19 year olds. From my knowledge, very, very few adults on the site actually exist. People who have developed their brains fully simply just aren't there at all, and I'm pretty sure that the overall concept of the wikis is what brings in such a large number of younger users, which I'm also sure is the cause of a lot of the userbase trouble. It's trouble that I simply do not think can be fixed given just how large the teenage user-range is. Beyond that, this also means that I simply don't see a lot of users making it the potential of being a staff member or managing the place because of their age. Yeah, I was 14-15 at the time of being an admin, but the admin job got so out of hand for me. I had school, friends, and a lot of stuff to get done. There are much, much more important things in life for one, and adding that with how some of the users here could still be in damn middle school, I see no lasting community within the present or future, and I certainly don't see any hope for staffing at all.
Finally, I do not believe that there is anyone on Qualitipedia anymore that has the real ability or drive to actually fully staff this place anymore, much less to operate a whole network of wikis at once. Almost all of the users I have seen that had a basic idea of how to work on this place are all going to retire no matter the conclusion of this RfC. You will not see me, Blazikeye, King Dice, Zeus, Marxo, and many, many more people you know after this RfC concludes. So, hypothetically if this RfC fails, ask yourself: what now? I do not believe that there is anything else left for the future anyway. I have not seen anyone outside of the friends I have made along the way, the users I mentioned, or anyone like a typical user that shows anything along the same lines of what this last generation of staff had. Either way, I think this means that closing will be inevitable no matter because of this large staffing cut. This is going to make things go quicker and painlessly, instead of collapsing completely like I feel like will happen if this RfC fails. It'll only be delaying the inevitable.
If you read this whole thing, you have my thanks. I want Qualitipedia to be gone because I don't want people to be held up on a broken dream. People have become so devoted to trying to fix something that they do not know when to let go. Leaving Qualitipedia was the best thing that ever happened to me, because it was how I knew when to let go. I don't want anyone here to be held up on these wikis if they close, I want you all to move on and actually get a move on with your lives. I have barely any love for this place anymore. But the tiny, sliver of love that still exists wants this place to close for your own sakes, so that you can move on like I did. Most of you are going to have an amazing life ahead of you, and don't get hung up on the future because one idea you used to have faith in didn't work, because there are going to be a lot of things like Qualitipedia in your life, things that you will enjoy but have the let go of eventually. Don't let this one, small, insignificant portion of your life hang you up for a long time. TigerBlazer 06:42, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Welp, if there was an award for the most detailed RfC vote, you're the winner. On a more serious note, if I was for whatever reason opposing this RfC, this would persuade me to support it. I'm not sure about the opposers, but I hope that this vote makes at least one of them realize that these wikis are just a waste of time at this point. --Blazikeye535 (talk) 16:05, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Support Take two. Alright, I originally opted for weak support because I didn't really see where this was going to end up, but, after experiencing the hell of all the problems listed above, I fully think this should be an option. This platform is very decent at times; however, brutally honest, it is nothing short of sheep who add useless edits and overexaggerate every single thing just to further slander the product as if it was brought from the depths of hell; not to mention, the number of sockpuppeteering blocked users resort to here and there. DarkMatterMan had to reject my original vote because they were clogging up the review extension (which didn't help anything in addition to the problems), and he's giving out all his blood, sweat and tears stuck trying to battle ALL the endless supply of them. There has been so much recent drama going on (recently between Zangler's unexpected attitude a few weeks back), edit-warring, and some levels of decreasing population because of the most usually well-respected users now departing. I'm not going to sugarcoat what I say about the future of Qualitipedia. I just really don't see the point of keeping it up if these flaws keep happening. The admins have even been doing so much to improve, but what did that bring them? Nothing but more disaster. This reason for support may seem really... iffy, but I needed to say this so that you're aware of what's happening right now. Don't even especially get me started with people who only read the article and then proceed to follow the bandwagon of opinions just because of that. It REALLY irks me inside that every article I read has users who write childish comments (I write some too, but at least not to the very maximum that I hope to not reach at), constantly whine stupid sentences like "UUUgh DiD wE rEaLlY neEd tHis?!!!11!1! wHo AsKed fOr ThiS?!11??!?!!!!1111", and create unnecessary comparisons to pieces of media that relate absolutely nothing to each other. One last thing I need to mention as well: downvotes. God, they're a pain. I remember them being removed at one point. I'm not saying downvoting shouldn't be allowed, but come on, do you have to gain the audacity and constantly mass dislike every comment you see? Is that what makes you happy? Because maybe you'd like it if the same happened to you! You wouldn't mind! With that aside, I honestly think this should happen for the very best and if it does, I wish every user I've met (even the ones who are just dead set annoying) a good luck to you on the way. Like I said, this response may sound really rant-ish and angry, but it's what most of us have been experiencing. YouKonade (talk) 16:23, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
I'd advise you remove your original vote since voting twice is against the rules. Nonstopmaximum (talk) 17:22, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Support Qualitsokyo causes more stress for the people behind Miraheze. Plus, these wikis have been dealing with other problems, like vandalism, disagreement, sockpuppetry, edit and move wars, and a decline in general interest. Qualitisokyo should just be separated from Miraheze. TouhouOtaku (talk) 00:52, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Support (Before anyone asks, yes, I'm "that person" who critiqued the wikis on DeviantArt in August 2021, I'm just here to explain my support of this RfC) Since I've discovered the wikis back in January 2019, it's been without a doubt an utter catastrophe of how they evolved (or devolved I guess). From going from simple made-for-fun kind of wikis by a dude who had passion for entertainment media to a freelance professionalism place where it's about what media is good or not that's based on stars and score numbers from review websites that (also) can't please everyone, it's surprising that the wikis were able to stand with the kind of formula that was implemented since last year and when Grust left. It also gave me a question days ago that I think should be the main focus: Why use wikis to look up whether entertainment media is good/bad when you could technically get the same kind of thing, if not, better on blog/independent sites and/or YouTubers? Userbase on the other hand just gotten ridiculous nowadays, and the only two theories I have about it is because of the strict rules and the fact that some (not all) users kept bragging that critics of QP were failing, when that just fuels some of them to go and wreck the wikis themselves (which if any of the theories are true, could explain why these wikis were also suffering from mass amounts of vandalism and edit-wars). And because of all of this, when I read the part where Miraheze staff were having PR backlash because of QP, this was something I unfortunately knew could happen from the back of my head. I might be overfilling Miraheze's servers if I continue this essay-like reason at this point, so to conclude, Qualitipedia is riddled with problems that's solvable/unsolvable, a userbase that is equally irritating, and caused the hosting site, Miraheze, to get a lot of bad PR press (most that's uncalled for might I add). That's all I have to say on this matter, hasta la vista. Oobi_Dash (talk) 11:32, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Support I agree, QP is going down, but for the wikis, make them independently moderated and managed. Yamga813 15:47, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support - Qualitipedia is a fundamentally flawed concept with no hope of ever getting better. It tries to claim objectivity on subjective opinions of media, it is rife with media illiteracy and complaining, and as others have said, it has driven Miraheze's reputation into the ground. Furthermore, consider this statement by a TV Tropes contributor about Crappy Games Wiki when removing a link to it on the So Bad It's Horrible page for video games: "1. That wiki's a gamergate affiliate. 2. It was founded by a disgruntled ex-troper who was banned because he kept trying to add Depression Quest here and wouldn't take no for an answer. 3. Most of the games listed there do not qualify for this trope, with many actually being popular and highly successful, like No Mans Sky or Final Fantasy 13. If anything, it's as credible as the Irate Gamer." IMHO, Qualitipedia was just doomed from the start, a project started essentially out of spite, and in which nothing of value would be lost if it were to go away. ThisWas (talk) 16:43, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Actually I made these wikis because I'm a huge AVGN fan and thought it might be fun. I didn't even know Depression Quest existed until a year later. ElementalHeroes (talk) 18:15, 3 September 2022 (UTC)ElementalHeroes
...this had better be a joke. ThisWas (talk) 20:16, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Even though they get rid of GamerGate page from months ago. despite you claim it. Obi-Wan Skywalker86 (Talk), 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Plus back on the New Reception Wikis, I pointed out if the Reception Wikis wish to be politically neutral, they should leave both the left and the right alone. Also if I made these wikis just for Depression Quest then why is it that it was my 64th article? And I'm voting in favor of closing QP down myself. However I will agree on one thing; all the drama, infighting, arguing, and excessive rules have ruined QP to the point I don't rely on them for games movies or tv shows anymore. ElementalHeroes (talk) 00:07, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Also, is there any way we can get Miraheze staff to completely delete the wikis BEFORE the 180 days have passed? I firmly believe there is nothing of value worth salvaging from the wikis, and I don't want some rando QP contributor to go up to them and request the wikis to be reopened in violation of any consensus to close QP. I feel the best course of action is to forget QP ever existed in the first place, which includes wiping any traces of it off of Miraheze. ThisWas (talk) 16:08, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, but a lot of the "oppose" votes are giving me pause. A lot of them can't seem to come up with valid reasons why Qualitipedia should stay up, and are making weak, invalid, or selfish arguments. IMO, those "oppose" votes shouldn't count by virtue of inability to come up with a solid argument. ThisWas (talk) 17:33, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Not to mention that the defense also has prestige problems; the "oppose" voters only consist of the lowliest, newest, and the most inexperienced of all the userbase (colloquially called "Receptiontards") while the support votes consist of the most noble, advanced, and jaded ranks. Thus, it should come as no surprise that the support votes are back by admins and enemies, along with their superior rationality as they had the best view of seeing the Wikis degrade with the long work they took under their belt, while the oppose votes are by people who are naive enough to be brainwashed by the Wikis ideology and thus blind to their current state. In other words, the results are affected more by the weight of arguments rather than the mere number of them. 10 reasons why Ukraine was in the right is more effective than 100 reasons Russia was. Portrock1566 (talk) 18:25, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
About deleting the wikis, things need to be archived though, so that would be a bad idea. FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 01:50, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Give me one good reason for archiving Qualitipedia. If you ask me, there is nothing of value worth salvaging and preserving online from it, just a hivemind of a community complaining about stuff they don't like or gushing about stuff they do like. Besides, TV Tropes does what Qualitipedia does better, via pages/sections like "So Bad It's Horrible", "Dethroning Moment of Suck", "Gushing About Shows You Like", "Needs More Love", etc. ThisWas (talk) 02:30, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Support i said i'd never vote in an rfc but how could i resist this one. Kljgaghjf (talk) 08:23, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support, as it is beyond improvement, and the wiki that started it all, Crappy Games Wiki, was founded by a disgruntled ex-troper who was banned because he kept trying to add Depression Quest there and won't accept no as an answer. KokoNigel (talk) 10:34, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Again that's a myth. I only made Crappy games because I'm an AVGN fan and thought it'd be fun. I didn't know Depression Quest existed until a year later. And while I support closing QP, your comment feels more like a copy paste of ThisWas. ElementalHeroes (talk) 15:42, 4 September 2022 (UTC)ElementalHeroes
This is how you DON'T copypaste other people's lines. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 15:49, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support: I've been thinking about the wikis and they're not good at all, they're infested with drama and the userbase is dying. Thomallister1291 (talk) 14:25, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
That is a common misconception, the userbase is not dying since new users come in every day. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 17:35, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Bluba, I don’t want this to sound… offensive, but I really think you should take a bit of a break, if you know what I mean. A lot of people are concerned about your recent messages, and to be honest, so am I. Qualitipedia shouldn’t be your LIFE if that makes sense. Boomerang289 (talk) 17:51, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Oh my Grust, can you please stop talking about my recent comments. Idk why people are so concerned, all I said was I like Qualitipedia and want to stay. Even if I wanted to retire, Qualitipedia needs all the help it can get in its darkest hour. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 18:27, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support: Per all the votes above. Due to all of said reasons I simply don’t think there’s a feasible way for Qualitipedia to survive. I was going to say something more but my original vote wouldn’t go through for some reason. Boomerang289 (talk) 18:12, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support Well, I've decided to move from my abstain response and I've decided: I want to close the wikis. It's hard to make this choice, but I think it's the best for everyone involved, tho there will be some limitations we'll do if support wins this. Before that, I want to generally explain why I want to support this in the first place. I've realized Qualitipedia's purpose in the first place is just kinda...bland, and useless. Like, entire wikipedias focused on diffrent topics of good and bad things. I mean it dosen't sound to bad, but when you look deeper into it, the meaning of Qualitpedia is just spreading our personal opinions, and that's why it dosen't work. Everyone has personal opinions. I hate things like Breadwinners, Tip and Oh and Bunnicula yet I'm invested in The Cramp Twins and Randy Cunnighan. Despite this, I am friends with people who like Breadwinners (Alex 5170) or people who despise Randy Cunnighan (Zangler), and that's fine by me. It's not mandatory to love or hate something, and I think that contributed to the downfall of Qualitipedia. Since not everyone had equal opinions, someone could make a page and someone else would not like the page, trust me, this has happened many times for me, and it's this constant debate that lead to the bad repuation of Qualitipedia, since I'm pretty sure most people didnt like the wikis because of unnescary opinion forcing. Now, when Qualitipedia does close (if it does), I'm hoping for the discord to close, because that will be better. Rather than arguing over whole ass pages with information not everyone will agree with, we can just share our opinions on the media in discord, and kinda discuss it. Of course if one day we decide to rebuild Qualitipedia from scratch, that means we should still keep channels like "general-wiki-stuff". Before the next thing, I just have to say quickly closing Qualitipedia will also help the status of Miraheze. More people are going on Fandom (which I personally don't use much) because they don't like miraheze, and you probs know why. Next thing is the fact Qualitipedia's state right now is dog crap. Tons of users are being toxic, overly dramatic, plain rude, and so on, so I believe if we close the wikis, we'll stop these people from being so toxic. I mean, when it comes to media, anyone can get a little angry and offensive when their opinion isn't respected. And I infact think it was poor managment that lead to many immature users, a similar statment to my "saving Loathsome Characters" wiki era I had. If we cut off Qualitipedia, their offensive ways may finally end. My final reason for closing Qualitipedia is that, well, everything must come to an end at one point. We've had so many memories, good or bad, and made a lot of friends. I can already recall many, including TigerBlazer, KingOfDice, JigglyPuff, Nidoking, BaldisBasicsFan, Alex5710, Zangler, Bucket, and lots, lots, lots more. If shows like Amphibia taught us anything, change can be difficult, but it's how we grow as a character. And I believe the end of Qualitipedia will be an era that will help make us grow as people more. So with that, I can end my support. One last thing actually, even if the RfC dosent end with Qualitipedia closing, I'll still hope this message helps with Qualitipedians in the future. Sincereley, - Reviweing97ShowsReviweing97Shows (talk) 19:05, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support: I believe it's best if Qualitipedia is forgotten about. The idea behind Qualitipedia isn't bad per se, but it's executed in the worst way possible, and I'm pretty sure there isn't a realistic way for it to thrive and survive. HammerBro101 (talk) 19:07, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support: Per everything above and the votes below in this section. Il (talk) 06:49, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support These "wikis" were a mistake, and the fact that even their founder and Miraheze's Stewards want them gone says a lot. Should've closed a long time ago, but they refused to do so. And here we are, nine years of drama, edit warring, ruining peoples' lives, and circlejerking. Pulling the plug on Qualitipedia is the only way to save this wiki farm's reputation at this point. The time for trying to "improve" these wikis has since been long gone, for they are beyond salvaging, and even if they live, it will become an empty shell of themselves. Even the opposes don't give good reasons to keep them, nor do they list ways to improve them. The very concept of opinion-based wikis is a bad idea, as anyone can inject their personal bias into it. In short, these wikis failed and must die. GyrineZ (talk) 20:10, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support: I have lost all hope in these wikis at this point. These wikis were originally fun, and were places for people to express their opinions on media. However, as years went by, they started to become professional and toxic. Despite our attempts at improving these wikis, they have gotten worse to the point they can't recover and if they stay open any longer, they will eventually become empty shells of themselves.
That's not the only problem about these wikis, though. Another problem about them is that they have been subject to vandalism and sockpuppets far more often than any other wikis Miraheze hosts. As such, Miraheze and its staff have to deal with reports of vandalism and sockpuppetry from us, much to their frustration.
Yet another flaw I need to point out about these wikis is that they're basically opinion-biased, since anyone can inject their opinionated bias into them. The worst thing about these wikis, though, is that they've ruined the reputation of Miraheze. Heck, even Miraheze's staff and Grust, the founder of these wikis want the Qualitipedia Reception Wikis gone!
And the last flaw about the Qualitipedia wikis is that they're far from reliable. There are many other reception websites that allow you to express your opinions on pieces of media (two examples of these include IMDb and Letterboxd), and they are far, far superior to these so-called "reception wikis".
Overall, Qualitipedia is an absolutely horrendous dumpster fire that was terrible from the start, and only got worse over the years. These wikis need to be shut down for good, and Qualitipedia as a whole will be no more after nine dramatic years. That way, Miraheze will go back to its old ways. ShawnTehLogoBoi (talk) 20:57, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Strong support: This is HomerSyndrome. I’m the guy who made the Reception Wiki Iceberg back in February. I have been lurking the reception wikis on my spare time since 2015. I have witnessed many of the biggest events in QP's lifespan. However, after reading the testimonies of people far more engraved into the community than I am, as well as looking into my own grievances, I support the idea that these wikis have overstayed their welcome. While I definitely understand why people would enjoy them, they have simply gotten to the point where they are more of a nuisance than anything else. For one thing, the very concept of these wikis is flawed. Having a site where people can share their opinions on a work is perfectly fine. It is when you make entire pages to present said opinions as subjective facts that this becomes an issue. This leads to constant edit wars and vandalism stemming from disagreements over whether or not a certain point is valid, or if a work belongs on a specific wiki. This isn’t helped by the fact that most of the userbase is made up by people who are teenagers or younger. Many of the older and more mature members of the community have either left or are planning to leave. And those that want to stay are ruined by bad actors who make the rest of them look bad. The Outcast network, while terrible for targeting specific individuals, had the one benefit of keeping much of the toxicity off of the main wikis. When they got shut down, rather than completely kill the disease, it relocated it to the remaining wikis. QP has brought out the worst of so many people and it’s frankly something Miraheze can do without. Speaking of which, the issues QP causes Miraheze and its staff cannot be understated. They have to deal with more reports of vandalism from us than any other wikis they host. And that’s not getting into the damage QP has done to their reputation. Tell me; When regular people think of Miraheze, what comes into their head? They don’t think "That wiki hosting site." They think "That place where a bunch of children made an echo-chamber to complain about social justice and anything else they don’t like." Miraheze offered QP a new home after being kicked off Fandom. And what did they get in return? Harassment and negative press. Again, I get that there are a lot of people that still have hope. But when so many community veterans and bureaucrats have shown support for closure, it’s saying something. And a large chunk of the arguments from those that oppose the closure have been, with all due respect, weak. A majority of them come off as being rooted in emotions rather than observations. "I still like the wikis," "The custom banners are funny," and "I feel it in my soul that we can fix it." The only one I've seen that is somewhat valid is "9 years of work and effort will be lost forever." However, since multiple people claim that archives will be made, I feel like that fear has been mostly mitigated. It comes down to people needing to realize that change is required to happen for them to grow and that sometimes, their best option is to walk away and move on with life. Besides. There are plenty of bigger, more-respected sites that allow you to express your opinion of media (Letterboxd to talk about movies (although in that case you have to be 16 to make an account) and Trakt to discuss TV shows). All in all, QP has been on life support for months, perhaps longer. Every major attempt to fix its issues have resulted in either no change or even making things worse. It may have been there for much of my early online presence, but I feel it is best that we just put it out of its misery. Even if this RfC fails, there is not going to be much left in terms of competent leadership, and the wikis will likely just die anyway. MisterDoctorProfessorPig2 (talk) 21:22, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Support Actually, on second thought, maybe it is best to close down these wikis. I didn't truly open my eyes to the problem when I first selected to oppose. These articles have been entertaining to read and edit, but all in all, no matter what we choose, Qualitipedia will be met with the same fate. Hunterboy z (talk) 21:23, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Support I chose support, because the wikis are just losing their spark, but not strong support as reading them can be something for me. If possible, a downloadable archive could be nice. Hiimjustin000 (talk) 02:15, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Support I've supported by commentary enough that I might as well make it a proper vote. I don't have much to say that the initial proposal didn't. You can ask if you want clarification on those points. A good part of the opposes regarding community can be solved by joining the discord. Data loss will not happen because the data is saved and will not go down immediately. You can edit blogs and reviews... I don't understand where some of the opposes are coming from but I digress. If this fails to pass with a true 70%+ support ratio then I expect current management in support to resign and... well, two options. Close the central hub and make management individual wikis since the network approach hasn't worked, or hold elections that include network operators. Either way, elect bureaucrats on the spot and some admins as available and come up with a way to do things. I'd be surprised if people managed that literally after the endgame, but who knows. --Raidarr (talk) 11:23, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Support To be honest I gave this a second thought and yeah I'm going to support this. The wikis themselves have gotten low in maturity which is why we have some drama involving Nintendo (though resolved because of a page on CGW), The Loud House (mainly the Netflix film), Sausage Party, pages on real people including the Celebtards (also resolved), the Family Guy, SpongeBob, and The Simpsons redirects, Teen Titans Go being considered "average" and the one time Pokemon got into drama once which tells me that the user base is mostly made of. Then there's also the fact that we should consider that not everyone is going to agree with a certain piece of media being on either wiki like Raya and the Last Dragon, Brave and The Good Dinosaur being placed on GMW or Sonic Lost World, The Pokemon Let's Go games, and Angry Birds 2, being placed on AGW due to some media being decisive all because of what critics and fans would think and popular opinions meaning that people have the right to express their own opinion. The same can apply to media that may be liked by the majority in some way yet it still managed to get some negative feedback like the Jim Carrey version of The Grinch and the live-action Scooby-Doo films being placed in AMW despite its cult status or when Fortnite has an additional page on CGW despite being well received even though it has flaws that are hard to ignore and Baldi getting a page on CGW despite being a joke game. Also, don't get me started on edit warring and immature users as well. Basically, we don't need a wiki that should dictate what we should like, why not try to make up our own views of certain media heck you got tons of reviewers and they can help what the media is like. In other words have an open mind. What Avatar: The Last Airbender and even The Angry Birds Movie 2 taught me is unity due to some sides having different viewpoints but just because different views and ideas differ does not mean that you should be at war with each other. If the wikis are closed, you need to let it go and move on. I made friends like Zangler, Dice, Dready, Rainbow Puppy, Dragonite, 3DSGuy, and much more I can mention which is something the Golden Deer route from Three Houses or The Bad Guys taught me. We are like a family here. Also, I don't intend to use the wikis to justify why everyone should hate or like some piece of media as we have the freedom to like and dislike some things regardless of what the reception is. TigerBlazer dislikes the Sonic movies despite a mostly positive reception from both critics and audiences but she doesn't force people to dislike the films and that's just one example. Overall, the wikis have overstayed their welcome due to a lot of bad history among other things that make the wikis not work as well as we have thought. PlantyB0i (talk) 10:14, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support Alright, here's my stance coming from a user who had been on these wikis since the FANDOM days. Way back in the FANDOM days, I'll say that it was actually somewhat decent in terms of not only community but also of quality control. I do have to admit I didn't start out very great in making pages in the FANDOM age, but usually anything less than six pointers that weren't lackluster were subject to deletion. Having moved to Miraheze in the early days, I decided to give it my best in make pages with a lot of pointers, most notably creating the page on the 1962-69 Looney Tunes shorts.
I don't actually edit the wikis a lot; I only occasionally come back every one or two months to see how things go. As soon as I head back about six months upon creating the 1962-69 Looney Tunes page I mentioned, not only the page has been about six times its original length, but also bloated with a bunch of over-the-top exaggerated garbage that if I had the ability to, I'd just plain revert the edit back to how the page was originally published. I tried again with some other poorly-received Golden Age cartoons. Less than a month it's in a state where I can't even read it. And the worst part is there is barely anything I can do as a regular user against it. Quality control has been reduced to be so low to the ground that I can literally write only 4 reasons why something is bad with reasons such as "cringy dialogue, awful animation, horrible moral, and corny voice acting" and call it done for a page. Don't get me started on the custom headers; it's just childish and goes the show how quality control has been. That's how awful the quality control has gone since the FANDOM and even early Miraheze days.
Saying these wikis outlasted their stay is very much an understatement. I can see why practically everyone from the FANDOM era has left. The older people of nine years ago have matured to become more reasonable and understand the main flaws of these wikis. They already let go and move on. They likely don't want to hear about or go back to this mess again. They actually understand that this is attracting a younger audience than expected. Speaking of which, I'm sure to notice that the founder have likely not expected these loads of young kids to come the wiki at all, and agrees that is the leading cause of the main burden. What I didn't expect is how this is ending up so badly that even the staff of the wiki farms express concern against these wikis. FANDOM previously had shut down these wikis, and I'm actually convinced they had a proper reason to. This isn't just a poorly-executed concept; it's one that would've started trouble in the first place. It would've been better off as a review wiki; that way it could be less of an exaggeration mess with manageable quality control.
Also, I'm seeing some reasons in the opposition mentioning that they still have interest in spewing these low quality pages. That there will be nothing like these wikis, or that it can be passed down to someone who will eventually just get equally burned out or continue making a mess of things. That they love this wiki to no end and can't live without it or otherwise need it for their full daily life (if this is you, get professional help please. It sounds harsh but this is true; losing one website doesn't kill you and you got the Discord and Reddit as well which is more easy for the staff there to take care when things do go wrong). I'm going to say one thing that's rather harsh but true - Grow up and move on. Seriously. Not everything will last forever, and this wiki network is no exception. If you want to continue bashing (or praising, which I'm sure very few of you reading this will) on whatever show or game you want, go make your own review blog, make your own reddit memes, or something along the lines of that instead of intentionally continuing to hurt the good name of a wiki farm. Make your fake collab blogs on AO3 or Wattpad. Write what drama happened to your favorite fandom on r/hobbydrama. It's probably enough that a lot of shows/games/episodes/etc. on these wikis are already bad enough and with a few select exceptions, everyone already knows the flaws of such (I say select exceptions primarily due to the more obscure things mentioned, which again barely anyone will care). The wikis only started off to point out the flaws of the lesser-known material since those that were obviously bad were short and simple (no need to beat a dead horse).
Anyways, this will likely be one of the (if not the last) edit I'll do on this group of wikis and thus Miraheze, as I have moved onto actual individual MediaWiki wikis over wiki farms such as FANDOM. Honestly, I don't think I lost any value of my time or sweat over the wikis (and unless you actually spend 24/7/365 editing these wikis (in which case you need professional help), then you really didn't lose too much value if you could at least take away some wiki editing or reviewing skills about it). If anything, it actually helped me understand more about the production of late Golden Age cartoons while allowing me to point out the more important flaws of a show or game I didn't realize, which could be applied for a review site or similar journalism. This will relieve a lot of the undeserved flak that the Miraheze staff has recieved, and I wish them very well in the future if this does pass (because if it doesn't, there's a high chance it will just get shutdown by the staff in months anyways). I wish very well on anyone who does actually move on (including the founder; you don't deserve most of the flak whatsoever). I have made my stance on this, and I feel like this will be one burden that will be off my mind, and the mind of many others. If this vote sounds harsh, I would like to apologize but I sincerely request that you reread the last two paragraphs until you get the point. ChrisTheCat73 (talk) 18:45, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Support Ngl, I do like contributing here, however Quallitpedia has tons of problems that's at this point BEYOND fixing, and if it's so bad it's affecting Mirachize's reputation then I'll give my support, as much as it kinda hurts that wiki's I liked contributing to are closing down. Flowerfunstudios (talk) 16:04, 7 September 2022 (EST)
Strongest support: Look, I only made a new account only for this vote, and because I had my previous accounts locked last year. This is Zapp, and you may or may not have known me as Arctic01 and AbsoluteZeroWind. I was a former user here. Not a sock nor an LTA, so please don't block me. I lurked around Qualitipedia in 2018 during their late FANDOM era but didn't contribute here until mid 2019-late 2021. I've moved on from these wikis long ago and would rather be forgotten by everybody. And to make sure that nobody ever tracks me down, I won't disclose my actual current alias, as the one I'm using right now is similar to the one I used on DeviantArt (Btw, I regretted siding with the DA haters of the wikis as the comments section on SMG4Nerd's journal post is plagued with a lot of toxic haters who basically act like majority of the QP users themselves. Plus, they won't stop spamming comments complaining about the same stuff which got old and annoying to hear. In additioin, there were a lot of toxic defenders who I coulnd't stand due to how delusional they are as they act like know nothing know-it-alls. So if any of the QP haters from DA reads this, no hard feelings). Anyways, Initially, I was undecided about whether or not I should cast my vote here, but after seeing a lot of suporters, even from their own local staff members, former users and other current notable users, I was convinced that I should. Qualitipedia deserves to die and be forgotten. Sorry if I sounded harsh here but like what most of the RFC supporters mentioned, these wikis have done more harm than good and even tarnished the reputation of Miraheze, the wiki-hosting website itself, to the point of people being unfamiliar with the network of "wikis" associate them with Miraheze as a whole. And its sad, considering that Miraheze's staff are being scapegoated by outsiders when they aren't even affiliated with Qualitipedia itself besides hosting their wikis. Where do I even begin... For starters, they caused 9 years of drama, onsite and off site. Secondly, making a subjective-based wiki was a bad idea from the start as everyone has different opinions, and because this is the internet we speak of, many users here will most likely attack you for that. Speaking of the userbase, even during my contribution days, I've always came across some of the most annoying, immature, and inexperienced ones here. Not to mention, their notority is what attracts a lot of trolls, vandals and LTAs here. I always hated the fact that many people blame these criticisms to the Outcast Network even though they both weren't better to begin with. In terms of my contribution days, while I did make a few friends here in the past, I never found myself enjoying in here to begin with due to how these annoying users I mentioned not only ruined my life, but pretty much everyone else's. And ever since I left, not only have I lost respect to the wikis here, but even to some of these people (who I won't mention) I once befriended, I eventually drifted apart from them, as I learned that most of their behavior were no better than most of the users here. No hard feelings though. Here I am looking back at the wikis. Guess what? Nothing has changed. And based on what majority of the opposers wrote, it comes to show that they can't face the facts and move on to doing better things in life. Its as if they devote themselves on the wikis their whole life and never let go of them. These users should learn that they don't always get what they want and "fixing" them doesn't make these wikis any better. Just because they "try" to improve the wikis doesn't mean that people would stop hating on them. For example, even though they removed a lot of political-based articles and pointers (cough cough SJW and GamerGate related ones), it still didn't make a huge difference. If anything, it only made them worse and worse as years went by. Another thing that they should learn is that these wikis shouldn't be used to dictate their views on certain things. When we look for opinions, we form them ourselves. Not make people create it for them. All in all, the wikis have no hope left and I have lost my faith to them. They overstayed their welcome on the internet and its best if they shut down as soon as possible. They never should have existed in the first place and aren't necessary at all. Skias (talk) 12:55, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
What, it's you??? Hey I guess after like, I don't know. I don't hate you but I can't think of anything good I can say, so sorry for wasting time. Portrock1566 (talk) 03:48, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Hey. I don't have anything good to say to you either. I thought you would figure it out who I was by the time I posted this first but whatever. I don't plan on staying here for too long. I just came here to watch the wikis close down. Anyways, I'll take my leave soon since I don't have anything else better to do here. Skias (talk) 04:06, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Support Yep. despite this site's attempts of improving, i think it just keeps on getting worse. Ngl, for the past few months, my experience has been awful. Really awful. I do not even like contributing to this site anymore. I mentioned that i agree with Tiger's critique of the current state of this site. This site has been suffering from a lot of problems lately, which mainly includes retirement of users. I think that the situation will worsen if this site stays open for too long, and therefore i think it's best to close it. Also, one more thing: I am planning to retire too, regardless of whether this RFC will succeed or fail. John 127 (talk) 14:28, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support I'll just say QP's no hope and (maybe) all despair I guess. We don't have much of a choice at all guys. Kodama (talk) 15:05, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support Yes, I have left Qualitipedia but I wanna support this RfC. Qualitipeida have damaged Miraheze's reputation and I think it is best to shut it down. KumihoWolffey༄ (talk) 17:32 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support I just read Grust's entry - I agree with him wholeheartedly. Over the years, this place has lost the magic, in a sense. I would frequent it daily to talk about the games I enjoyed and those I knew were bad, even going as far as to play those bad games to write here. Sadly this has become no longer the case, first with the new quality control system that required an admin to give an explicit permission to write a new page (thus discouraging one of the core rules of any wiki: "If you think some topic should be tackled, be bold and write about it yourself"); said quality control system was then reformed to avoid what I mentioned above, but this did little to change things because the system was enforced pretty inconsistently (though I am speaking of my own personal experiences here, I don't know about the others), and when my pages were deleted, I didn't even know about it until I tried to read them. All the problems that plagued the QP network, which were caused by the stranglehold that bureaucracy had on the websites, could only be fixed with more bureaucratic measures (e.g.: the moderation extension), which did nothing but let the main problem fester: that this place has lost its way as a place where people could meet up and share positive and negative experiences with entertainment, and instead tried to reboot itself as a Wikipedia clone, a doomed venture because while Wikipedia is backed by full-time admins and programmers who spend days working out the site's problems, the general audience of these wikis are teenagers and young adults who are busy with other things. --Danetheheroofworlds (talk) 12.04, 11 September 2022 (EUT)
Strongest support Hey everyone, Fomantisboy35 here. In all honesty, I really think it's for the greater good if Qualitipedia does cease operations here on Miraheze. Even if I stopped contributing to Miraheze a long time ago, these wikis have been very troublesome for this platform for the past four years (and not just Qualitipedia, but also The Outcast Network and those strange psudo-Reception Wikis (The New Reception Wiki)). Even if Miraheze does loose quite a few of their contributors, they still have several large wikis (The CLG wiki for one) considered far superior to Qualitipedia and one last thing to point out is that the Reception Wikis in general have been home to people outright disrespecting others over a simple and harmless opinion (Rotten Websites blocked someone because they liked TheTopTens, you can't get snobbier than that!). So yes. Qualitipedia needs to be discontinued or at least move an indipendent hosting site. Tamagotchifan35 (talk) 13:34, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
The reason behind me making a new account was that I forgot my password to the original account. Tamagotchifan35 (talk) 22:48, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support it’s telsm. i was gonna leave back at the third in this month, but it wasn’t enough for me. now, i’m gonna try and vote here. with all the inconsistencies, ridiculousness, and other things from qp, i personally think that this stuff and the network itself should close down. my experience as a user was not pleasant at all and i’d like to list two things that came from my experience. the first one was when i got banned just because i was a presumable sock of someone that wasn’t even related to me in the slightest. every computer i owned never controlled that account. another one was the reverts on my edits especially from the fairly odder and underground film article from ts&ew. it’s just unfair since those articles had the generic qp writing like the “x, as y, which z” type of writing and even the 2-bit pointers as well. the underground film had the ridiculous bolded text here and there, and that does annoy me considering on how it’s just a sign of utter immaturity. all i’m doing is grammatical changes to the articles that are written poorly, yet they won’t accept whatever i change to any of the articles i mentioned? it’s like i’m vandalizing the pages yet i’m not doing that at all. i once made a starter pack on r/starterpacks about qp’s negative qualities and some said it was accurate. that’s exactly what the starter pack is, accurate descriptions of the negative qualities present. so now that i’m kinda/poorly finished over my honest support over this rtc, i’d retire for real by now. thanks, guys. telsm (talk) 19:56, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support: so I'm finally back from my grave, I was ACoolBlaze5, some of you may remember me, some may not, but I think it's better Qualitipedia shuts down, it claims to be against opinion disrespecting and yet it does just that, the amount of drama that's been going on, also the concept for the wikis isn't even good. Better it shuts down entirely. Blazethrowaway (talk) 01:44, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
Strong support: Honestly, I have a lot of problems with Qualitipedia that I'm just not admitting. Such as users being overly dramatic and exaggerative for no reason, being overly strict with the rules, overusing terms I don't like, such as "no better", "has no impact at all", "depending on your view", ect, and how overall unfair the wiki's treat certain IP's. Even though there's plenty of stuff like on Qualitipedia, it's not enough to salvage all the bad. I'm ready for Qualitipedia and its wikis to shut down, and I'm ready to accept my fate. L3encorp animations. (talk) 06:38, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
Support MY INPUTS, even though I was supposed to leave. I agree on most everything, even the header issues. I am not obsessed, but I wanted to keep this place up. However, I do realize it is getting broken and unfixable, so I suppose the "collapse" and the Final Solution (Dilute the wikis and provide an archive dump) is a decent idea. Other than that, I think the wikis should end. Even if I still think there is hope, I suppose maybe the era is over. Perhaps one day, we can do a massive reform, but that will need a long time. So I say once again, Quadpedia in it's current state, needs to die. JrStudios (talk) 15:58, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
No, you guys are the traitors for going against the founder's and Miraheze staff's wishes. The opposers are only acting on their own behalf to continue the devaluing of intellect, compassion, cooperation, and other human qualities. The lack of the aforementioned things isn't the reason why people are defending the "Wikis". Clearly the inexperienced dregs haven't had sense slapped into them. Portrock1566 (talk) 19:12, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
I don't think anyone is a "traitor" here, but Szczypak2005, they're not a traitor for supporting the closure. FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 20:45, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
The traitor calling was probably in reference to JrStudio's previous opposition to closing. Anyway, name calling will accomplish nothing and makes both of you look bad, more so for Portrock with their hostile response. Nonstopmaximum (talk) 22:56, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
I know that, and I still stand by my point. Nobody is a traitor here, and as you said, name calling accomplishes nothing and just makes people look bad. FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth)
The people supporting Qualitipedia's closure are traitors since they are betraying Qualitipedia by wanting to get rid of it. The definition of betrayal is to openly turn on something you once held allegiance to. Since all of the supporters are Qualitipedia users, they are betraying Qualitipedia by wanting it to shut down. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 19:48, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
"The people supporting Qualitipedia's closure are worse than Hitler 🤓" GyrineZ (talk) 23:00, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
You know, if it wasn't for people like you guys, I probably wouldn't have supported this, but now you've pushed me toward supporting it, so maybe you guys are the real "traitors" to QP. DeadPixel (talk) 22:47, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Seriously!? I am just thinking as of right now, my stance has changed from reading an oppose that called or the largest reform. I say the wikis are dead IN THE CURRENT STATE. JrStudios (talk) 14:34, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support: As a former editor of the wikis from 2020-2021, the improvements on Qualitipedia are promised, but they are not done at all. From a disrupting userbase and opinion disrespection, to massive drama that rips the commmunity apart, it's no surprise why Qualitipedia is hated and I support closing the wikis. CircleyDoesTest (talk) 19:47, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
Yes, and the test account is actually my old alternative account I barely used. CircleyDoesTest (talk) 00:02, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Hello again, CircleyDoesTest ( also known as TwighlightPonyRisesAgain on Scratch) 🙂. In case your wondering, I’m actually hot655 on Scratch. I didn’t expect to run into you here. User:SquirtSquirtle (talk) 16:31, 15 September 2022 (UTC)
Support I originally abstained from this, but after posting that long discussion post, I realize we're probably better off without the wikis. Oh, and Bluba, in case you're reading this, I'm doing this for your own good. DeadPixel (talk) 19:52, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support: As what many others have said, yeah, it's time to get rid of these wikis. The fanbase is nowadays extremely toxic, and it's among the many things that are damaging Miraheze's reputation. I regret creating the Miraheze version of Atrocious Gameplay Wiki now that I'm reading this. Chilly5000 (talk) 17:21, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
Support: Originally abstained, a full closure is warranted. It had potential, but it was flawed and broken. HonestOpinionator (talk) 9:03, 17 September 2022 (NZT)
Support: I support this proposal as QP in the current state is irreversibly crap but don't get me wrong, Qualitipedia is a good idea (wikis about praising/criticizing media), but it was poorly executed and tainted Miraheze's reputation, as it fails to maintain neutral point of view on certain articles, the majority of users are toxic fanboys/receptiontards (these ones are responsible for framing Miraheze for QP issues, which is wrong as Miraheze has clearly nothing to do with Qualitipedia asides hosting, making oppose votes with no substance, such as "I like QP" and threats to exit Miraheze if QP wikis are closed), which I call it a MOAB Glue because their IQ levels is dangerously close to Glue Gunners, and admin abuse like Alli overzealously deleting pages. Even if the number of opposes is same as or even higher than number of supports, these network of wikis may still close as most decisions made on Wikipedia are NOT based on popular votes. Signing up for Titanfall 3 and #SaveMiraheze and #CloseQualitipedia, I see you next time (after the 17th September). TF3RDL (talk) 00:01, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support Qualitipedia used to be my happy place and the place which helped me make friends but now the wikis started to suck due to toxic community and an ungodly amount of drama (with one of them giving me ptsd). It is better for them to be closed rather than being turned into a 4chan clone. PituckosTheCockatiel (talk) 2:00, 17 September 2022 (GMT +3)
Strongest support I support the RfC. Despite the fact i genuinely enjoyed working on QP and met some great users (especially people like TigerBlazer and 3DSGuy), i also acknowledge the network's flaws such as toxic community, the quality control being bare minimum, harassment and other stuff. Just a shit show happened in the Discord server and Tiger just pointed out how the Discord server is no better. In fact, the Discord server is probably even worse than the network. I don't care if i enjoyed working on Quadpedia, i just want all of this to end. CJWorldGame32125 (talk) 15:41, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Support Initially abstain (although I accepted closure regardless), but now as time goes and seeing the current progress on the wikis, yeah I think closing is seen better and done quickly. I was leaning toward that option anyway but I do think the wikis are beyond keeping now for the future as not a whole lot of changes were made to salvage them enough. Even if the RFC somewhat fails and the Wikis remain open, I cannot really see the current community having the motivation to revamp and keep the activity alive on the wikis, and even myself has shown some demotivation to be here contributing. Though there are still good written pages there and I still actually enjoyed the novel concept of the wikis despite flaws and disputes, I don't really think I'll miss it too much when they close (also nice numeral). Equal One (talk) 17:05, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support 70… I remember there when this Rfc had more opposers then supporters, then after some time, the ratio of the amount of supporters and opposers of this Rfc turned. To get things started, this will be my opinion on this rfc and the discussions it has caused across qualitipedia. To let you people know, I was a user on these wikis many years ago. You probably wouldn’t remember me or anything. Basically think of this as the opinion of this rfc from a user who used to be active on these wikis. I’ve read through all supporting and opposing claims, and I’m just going to say this now: The more I look at this the more I think this is a good idea. The first thing to explain is the argument about qualitipedia being the cause of problems for Miraheze, while I have not been on non reception wikis on miraheze, however let’s be honest, who has actually heard about miraheze without knowing about these wikis? And of you know the reputation of these wikis, then you start to see the problems. Another thing to talk about is the amount of failed attempts at fixing the problems, some of these attempted fixes might have just made the problems worse. We’ve seen mass deletions of pages, attempts at lowering vandalism, changing of who is in control of the wikis, and much, much more. It’s not bad to give some things a second chance, but it’s as if these have been given a second, third, and fourth chance, these problems have just returned more and more… Now to be fair, I honestly don’t care or really know about the politics of the wikis, however I am aware of the drama. Heck, I used to be involved in a lot of drama back when I was on these wikis. But something I have noticed is that it’s not really drama until people call it drama, things start as simple disagreements and then slowly go more and more into drama territory, and apparently the discord is worse, although I don’t know much about that as I’m not apart of them and never have been. Now regardless of who was right or wrong or what the actual drama was about, it’s obvious it has been the base of the wikis reputation for a long time, and regardless if it’s closed or not, this will be how these wikis are remembered, and has started becoming how miraheze is being known. Something else to talk about is the way opinions are handled. Obviously there’s nothing wrong with opinions, but treating them as facts isn’t the way to go. Anyway, one of the most important things I would want to talk about is one user in specific. I won’t call out any names or anything, but you will likely know who I’m taking about. I have a past history with this user, and although that was long ago, this user has outright called anyone who supports this rfc as “Traitors” or “AntiQuals” (and keep in mind this person once created alt accounts just to downvote comments from users he dislikes, which won’t help the wikis at all) or whatever name he is currently calling people. People have noticed he has become obsessed with the wikis, going as fall as treating admins as if they are gods. Speaking of him calling people traitors, he could be considered one, many the “traitors” are users and admins who have been around for a long time, trying to help the site. Despite this through, I do NOT think he deserves a block. And to anyone who does oppose this, I still respect that. Give your reasons as why you want the wikis to stay, after all, theres no discussion if everyone thinks the same or has the same opinions. If you’ve read all of this, and regardless if you support this or oppose it, I appreciate you for listening this long. And end of communication… ScratchCoder (talk) 21:16, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
@FatBurn0000: Yes, that was me. Although I wasn’t too active that’s what I was trying to imply when I meant old drama. ScratchCoder (talk) 23:44, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support: I have retired from Qualitipedia after reading this post. Your reasons seem to be very rational and even though a large chunk of the Miraheze community will be gone, like what you said, the staff and userbase is declining and the only way Miraheze's reputation can be improved is by shutting down Qualitipedia. Even Raidarr, who has worked as hard to improve Qualitipedia, left on August 10 because he lost interest probably due to his methods of problem solving being largely ineffective. The major problems are WAY too complex to solve, so basically any attempt will be unsuccessful. The fact that 6 people have resigned from Qualitipedia and that DarkMatterMan4500 and Bukkit are the only bureaucats left makes it close to the fate of Qualitipedia as a whole. I'm sure that the 2 bureaucats will have a hard time handling all of Qualitipedia's responsibilities, along with Zangler, who is one of only 3 administrators, along with the previously mentioned users. In August 2022, we went from 9 administrators at the beginning to only 3 at the end of the month, which is a sign that Qualitipedia just went on its last heels after this post was made. Tanawat2002 (talk) 01:16, 17 September 2022 (UTC)
Support: I've been a fan of these wikis since 2019. Despite the fact that I've never really participated in edits, or community events or whatever, I still think I have a right to put in my two cents. This vote might kind of seem biased for reasons that will be disclosed later. Seeing all the issues in Qualitipedia, my answer is: What did you expect? The wiki's models are practically based on taking subjective opinions and treating them as facts, you're just going to bring in people with that mindset. Most of the time when you see criticism on the internet, it's layed out to you like an opinion that belongs to someone, from critic channels to IMDb and wikipedia. But not here! This wiki acts like it's an encyclopedia of objective facts, where if something is here, it's is bound to be objectively bad, and if you like any of said media, you're messed up! The first article I read here was from the now-deleted Toxic Fandoms and Hatedoms wiki, more specifically the BFDI fandom article, and it had a custom header so you can get where I'm going here. one of the reasons for the BFDI fanbase being "toxic" was because a lot of people in the BFDI fandom shipped Fireafy "since Firey and Leafy are supposed to be friends", and now I'm sure the person who wrote that article was some 9-year old that hated Fireafy, got into an argument on reddit, got butthurt, and then decided that since he couldn't convince the entire communtiy that Fireafy was a bad ship, the entire community is toxic, and then proceeded to rant about it in an article. and apparently that's pretty much how all your wiki's work (according to mods). To be honest, these wikis should have never been made to begin with, and closing them would be undoing that mistake. TheUltimateSlime27 ( talk) 09:11, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Support: Even though it hurts me to say this, I say yes because the issues in qualitipedia have damaged it beyond repair. A lot of people in this community have become toxic and have been breaking rules, edit warring, and engaging in cyber bullying all over disagreements on pages. Some of the pages i have even made have been struck down by others simply because they are judging these pages by review score numbers while blowing off the issues with certain episodes, characters, and movies. Qualitipedia has degraded so badly that it is not being used as a platform for toxic behavior, political bias, harassment, and cyber bullying. I think it would be better to place in individual reviews instead of making conglomerate sites that just flagrantly deem something as good, average, or bad based on scores and numbers. Wikiti93 (talk) 17:44, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Again, please sign your votes with four tildes (~~~~). You do not have a signature template, so you cannot use it to sign your messages properly. FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 00:30, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest support: I thought reception wikis was a good idea, but I want to say Qualitipedia should be closed because it is hurting Miraheze's reputation. There were many attempts to make it better but closing qualitipedia is for the best. Mike9012 (talk) 14:45, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Support: Drama, my lack of interest, politics, toxicity, deciline in quality, etc. are the reasons this has to go away. Even if we failed, Miraheze would still close it if it want's to, so we basacilly have no future. LovingHaydeL(talk) 20:49, 23 September 2022 (PST)
Support: Dramas involved include but are not limited to the ruining of Miraheze's reputation. How are these wikis still up, I thought they were deleted a few weeks after I disappeared from Miraheze. Whistler98 (talk) 20:15, 24 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose I still have interest in these wikis, and I still would like them to keep going. If you don't want to run them anymore, let someone else have them. There are lots of users out there who also have interest, and the wikis are way too popular to close TBH. They still have a purpose in my belief, and there is way too much history for these wikis to start all over again. FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 23:55, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose: Please don't. I get that there is a lot of Users retiring, Trolls, and Vandals, but I love joining fake blog collabs. If Qualitipedia closes down, then I might quit Miraheze, I will also return to the K-Quora community (since I was in that community before I joined the Qualitipedia community, but I'm hardly any active, although I been frequenting upvoting posts). - Kpop And Earthbound Fanatic (talk) 23:58, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Not a very sound argument. If you want to create fake blog collabs, then you should consider finding a wiki with that subject or even creating one of your own. Marxo Grouch (talk) 00:52, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose: I still enjoy these wikis. I feel like there could be some room for improvement and it's a good place to rant about stuff while showing fully why you're ranting on it and some redeeming qualities you have on it(game/show/movie/etc.). Yes, we still have ups and downs like wiki closers like PKMNLivesNew and Life_Tutor, but we can't let wiki closers win.. Pacsonic9000 (talk) 00:10, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose:If you really don't want Qualitipedia hosting these wikis anymore, is it still possible to move them back to Fandom? NoNameNoFace (talk) 21:35, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
This is more of a question rather than an oppose. Short answer: Probably not. Long answer: While it could be pulled off, Fandom were the people who kicked us off originally, and basically prevented any reception wikis. We would have to request an import through them as all imports must be reviewed by Fandom. Legally, we couldn't copy-paste the content either, due to the Creative Commons license we use. It's highly unlikely this could be done. The Goose Named Zeus (talk) (contribs) (CentralAuth) (Board) 22:23, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
We could migrate the positive wikis, any neutral wikis, and create some "average" wikis and import the pages for the "average" media, but they won't be allowing negative wikis any time soon, and I don't really think I could go without negative wikis, as they're honestly a lot more fun than the positive wikis most of the time. FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 19:52, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose: I like browsing these wikis every now and then. I'd say we can give these wikis another shot, though with much, much more strict guidelines. ThisIsHowIAm (talk) 00:11, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Oppose No. I still have interest in these wikis. I agree with the above opposes. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 00:17, 31 August 2022 (UTC) I'm going to go for abstain, due to lack of interest, but I disagree with the closure RfCs however. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 00:22, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose: I enjoy the wikis too and had a lot of fun making articles for them, to be honest. I may not be as active as before but I still contribute to it occasionally. Hence, I vote against it. Rath460 (talk) 01:00, 31 August 2022 (GMT +8)
That's really not a strong excuse. An oppose should be trying to counter the proposal, not just stating you want them to stay open because you like them. Marxo Grouch (talk) 01:11, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose Please keep them going, without them, there won't be another wiki like Qualitipedia, if not, then maybe I of someone will run them. The Dunkman (talk) 06:10, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
I'm pretty sure there are other reception wikis on this platform that you can turn your attention to. Not as big as QP, but they're there and could use some touch up from interested users. Marxo Grouch (talk) 14:50, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose Per all. FanOfYoshi (talk) 08:01, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
What do you mean "all"? All reskins of the same "arguments" on this side?
Strongest oppose If you don’t want to run these wikis anymore, let someone else take leadership. I don’t see any problems for that happening, and many people would accept that offer, including me. Like what Pacsonic said, we can’t let the wiki closers win. SquirtSquirtle (User talk:SquirtSquirtle) 09:05, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
What do you have to say about the arguments presented in the RfC? This isn't necessarily a discussion of user activity on the wikis. Marxo Grouch (talk) 14:50, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Reading one of the flaws, I’m aware vandalism is a problem on these wikis. However, we can deal with it by hiring some more rollbackers ( Trusted users, so that doesn’t include me ) from a vast range of time zones, so vandalism can be reverted in a longer range of time. SquirtSquirtle (talk) 17:10, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Vandalism is not that much of a problem for these wikis (around 5-10% of the problems of QP at least), so what else do you have to say about the other arguments (ie the ones above the voting section)? Marxo Grouch (talk) 20:52, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Another flaw mentioned on this page is the Moderation Extension. I know I’m gonna get hate for this, but I don’t think it’s 100% bad. Maybe you guys should slightly adjust it so it’s slightly less strict, such as unlocking users in 10 edits over 15, and the reception and the effectiveness could improve. On a side note, if this RFC is successful and Qualitipedia is planned to get shut down at some point ( eg. Early 2023 ), then we should disable this feature entirely so users can freely edit through its last days. SquirtSquirtle (User talk:SquirtSquirtle) 08:05, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest opposeBig. Mistake. My. Friend. I will not let Qualitipedia be closed, as long as I — Katsumi — am still active on Miraheze. I understand that you are trying to help Miraheze for better or worse, but closing Qualitipedia is never a good option — not by a long shot. The Qualitipedia wikis are the only community that I feel like I belong to. Before Miraheze, and to this day, I have never befriended any other wiki editors outside of Miraheze. All of you guys — King Dice, Zangler, everyone on the wikis — are my friends, and the closure of the network means that I will never be able to contact you guys again. If you don't feel like running the wikis, let me do it. I know these wikis have been tarnishing Miraheze's reputation as a promising alternative to Fandom, but without them — I would never become who I am today. 超ヤバいっす! 豪雷と嵐で New Style!⚡ Thunder GaleKatsumi ⚡
Closing QP is the only option at this point. GyrineZ (talk) 00:36, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose Absolutely not. Who will tell users what media is good and what is bad with a detailed list of reasons why. Who will tell people what to do and what not to do in terms of media. All of the wikis are active and filled with users (except for the Literature wikis). You would be throwing years of hard work out the window. Nine years of user contributions, gone. If this proposal succeeds I will be doing everything I can to help Qualitipedia refugees find new homes. If this proposal does not succeed, I will spread awareness of our cause and do everything in my power to help these wikis. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 13:09, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
There are such things as YouTube reviewers and aggregation websites. People can view these to make up their minds about whether or not media is good or bad. Hell, they can even form their own opinion and express it on one of the two platforms. It doesn't take QP to locate these things. Marxo Grouch (talk) 14:50, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose A ton of users, including myself, have dedicated a ton of time to creating and editing hundreds of articles for the wikis. Closing them would be as if they were all meant for nothing, and would've been a complete waste of time for us. Plus, there are a lot of people volunteering to run the wikis themselves, so why not pass the torch to them instead of closing it down? Hunterboy z (talk) 14:01, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose The concept itself is what made me interested in the wikis to begin with. I should remind you that there are still people who love contributing in Qualitipedia. Also, this wastes the time of contribution users made over the past 9 years. 9 freaking years man! I also agree with Katsumi. Should i also mention that this kills the creativity behind the wikis? What i mean is that these wikis allowed stuff like fake shows just for fun, which is what made these wikis cool.CJWorldGame32125 (talk) Just switched to support.
Strongest oppose Yes, QP is currently in big trouble. I understand that Miraheze didn't want a worse future. However, I extremely disagree with this closure because this writing off a community that has been around for years. In fact, some users are also upset that some of their favorite wikis will go bye-bye in the future. There are better and more smart ways than just close an entire encyclopedia. In fact, I had met some great people because of those wikis. Reception needs to by reliable sources since we are not supposed to be a reliable source in our own right. WERE A WIKI! Another thing I wanna add is that the rules should be updated so we can have a more collaborative community. If this RFC passes, who knows about the future the wikis if their getting reopened or not, and when they get reopened, I bet QP will not be involved. So yeah, those are my thoughts as of now. I used to barely support but this situation continues bugging me a lot, so yeah. Any questions? BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 17:25, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose Today I was appointed moderator and to be honest I don't want Qualtipedia to disappear, or at least I don't want both wikis that I'm moderating on to disappear. Even if a lot of people don't like her at the moment, I'm going to be with them for a long time.
To people who are going to leave it: If you are going to leave here, please, no one is holding you here by force, but I will stay here and I believe that I will be able to restore Qualtipedia to its heyday, I only wish you a lot of luck outside of Qualtipedia. Szczypak2005 (talk) 18:02, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Oppose I oppose because I don't want all the hard work I've done on Crappy Games Wiki and Cancelled Games Wiki to disappear forever. JustAlex93Mh (talk) 18:44, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose I still have hope even though it people will retire this is a great place to share my creative works and I’ve met amazing freinds here I mean obviously there are flaws but I believe it can improve. Singlestuforeo (talk) 22:08, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose There's still hope for the wikis. Flaws will happen and we can't avoid them. They're normal things that is part of our everyday life and there's no reason to close them. Just hope for the best and become stronger and we can pull through and make the wikis more improved. Just like creating a game. Don't cancel it just because it'll have some nasty bugs and glitches. They'll always happen though you can still fix them, yes they're an inconvenience but that doesn't mean you should lose hope to make it and gameplay, story, mechanics, graphics, sound & music and controls can matter more as well too. We need to make the wikis more improved and give Qualtipedia and Miraheze a better reputation. AkihitoZero5454 (talk) 15:19, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
"There is still hope for the wikis." That's a massive stretch. QP staff and even the Miraheze Stewards want them gone. GyrineZ (talk) 00:36, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose Why close down a commununity that has been around for years? There are much more feasible ways than just close an entire encyclopedia. It is important that the reception has plenty of reliable sources, because we are not meant to be a reliable source in our own right. WE ARE A WIKI! Also, update the rules so that it's possible for us to have a more collaborative community. Fortdicted (talk) 20:59, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
The RfC noted that the use of sources contradicts the claim that the wikis aren't meant to be reliable, and the use of sources clashes with how pointers are often written from a user's point of view rather than a more objective approach. This is why edit wars and disagreements keep breaking out regarding certain pages. Marxo Grouch (talk) 02:45, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose To be honest, I get it. I know that these wikis are unfortunately being rocked by the issues described, and I mustn't ignore it. It sometimes seems that for every gem of an article, there is a string of mediocre or outright terrible pages. Perhaps I am guilty of these myself, with my articles about why Press TV and the Olympic Games on NBC suck. However, I feel like it is unfair to all the people who have dedacated their blood, sweat and tears to these pages, to call out something they don't like. It would be like self-censoring issues and hiding when something deserves to be called out. Even if these wikis close, there will still be video games, movies, TV shows, & books that are utter rubbish. I don't know if the average person off the streets would actually change their minds by reading our wiki, but it is, or at least was, certainly worth a try. To some extent, it can also be seen as breaking of a community. I admit, I am not too active on the Discord server, and I amingine there are many users who are not. By extension, should these wikis close, they could lose contact with internet friends that gave them a sense of community. However, what I am not opposed to is taking our wikis off of Miraheze to move them to a different website. I feel much shame for the staff of Miraheze, for their project is being overrun with our name. (See RationalWiki's comparison of wikis, where they list Miraheze's actual users as "wannabe critics"). Therefore, if it is to close, it should only be temporary while we move to new hosts. Better yet, maybe we can be self-sufficient, and be self hosted. Then again, maybe I'm just too naïve. But thank you for listening to my argument, and if this is the last time I interact with the wiki, thank you all so very much. While there were good and bad times a plenty, I will never forget how important these were in my pre-teen and teenage years. Thank you all. Yours truly, Awildderperappears. (talk) 21:51 UTC, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose I have been self-training myself to make good pages for so long. Though it's mostly Awesome Games Wiki (I own more games that I love than dislike) I still worked hard. I went from making mediocre pages that BARELY meet the no-deletion, but aren't good either, to making a great, great page (Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart on AGW) that I was so confident in getting it featured. If the wikis close, I feel like it would be all for nothing. Tkgaynor (talk) 22:30, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Oppose Pass the torch to carefully vetted users who still care about the place if the leadership has lost hope. Nonstopmaximum (talk) 00:59, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose I really don't want these wikis to close. I had a lot of fun working on and making fake media collabs. But if these wikis do get closed, I won't quit Miraheze entirely. Instead, I will continue to edit on Miraheze wikis and will move to a wiki that is made for fake movies, games, shows, etc. RattataKid2007 (talk) 01:26, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose If these wikis end up shutting down, we will end up losing our progress for 9-10 years (Considering the wikis started in 2013, we should keep them for their 10th anniversary next year) and if the wikis end up being privated/locked we cannot edit them and in 6 months they disappear forever, unless you have the huge source code for them. Nidoking (talk) 01:46, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose I don't want this to remove from the site because only not trying to be political (while we're against both left and right wingers) and being “GamerGate” as some people claimed to be, but I don't want to miss some of my friends and good people here (even though I don't chat as much) and making edits are fun too. Obi-Wan Skywalker86 (talk)) 11:36, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose Qualitipedia played a big role to many users' life such as me who finally found friends. Also if the network has problems that doesn't mean we should give up, We need to fix them or start from scratch. PituckosTheCockatiel (talk) 15:13, 1 September 2022 (GMT +3)
Dude, you know QP has done more harm than good, right? GyrineZ (talk) 00:36, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose I want Qualitipedia to stay, because I really enjoy these wikis after I first stumbled upon them by chance at some point in 2018. I even learned of the shitty things some social injustice warriors tried to accomplish through this, and even got to see articles of games I liked or disliked while also wanting to improve the content and ironing out needlessly angry reasons to why something's awful. It's those irresponsible users' fault for causing havoc, don't blame everyone for something a bunch of idiots did! --Breakin' Benny (talk) 14:55, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
I agree with GyrineZ. Pedophiles are not welcome on Qualitipedia. Breakin’ Benny, get the fuck out, you motherfucking dipshit. SquirtSquirtle (talk)
Strongest oppose I think there need to be changes for these wikis to be up to standards, I don't think closing the wikis is the best option. I regularly browse these wikis, but I don't know what to do without them. There just needs to be a way to improve our reputation (as well as Miraheze's too). Josh0108 (talk) 15:17, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose I honestly feel worried about how this could cause drama, with a divisive amount of users saying that these wikis SHOULD close down because they SUCK vs. these wikis SHOULD NOT close down cuz they're AMAZING, because of how this happened when we were closing the Website wikis, but my honest say here is that I have had fun with these wikis, especially contributing to these wikis, and the research ofc, and a lot of people have also had fun with these wikis, even if there are some who haven't, and probably the best way to solve this problem of toxicity and divisiveness is to not close down these wikis, but add even stricter moderation to prevent toxic behavior (but not bad moderation, if you know what I mean), and maybe a possible consideration of adding more admins. Closing down the wikis is like giving up whenever something is too hard, which is something I wouldn't do at all, and there are tons of websites that deal with toxicity daily, and yet these websites are still here. This is just my honest say about this idea of closing the wikis, and I'm willing to agree to disagree. - AleXYZ-510 (talk) 06:28, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose I don't agree shutting down the wikis, if wasn't for Terrible Shows & Episodes Wiki denouncing the Miraculous Ladybug fandom for the suicide of the Lila Rossi fan, the fans of the show finally called out the show's fandom for that monstrosity in this year, even though the wikis most of the time not being reliable sources. If the wikis shut down, hope FatBurn and BaldiBasicsFan reopen the wikis. MariaJúlia1718 (talk) 18:47, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Proof? I never seen any news article about the Miraculous fandom pop up on my feed. I don't watch the show, but I can assure you that job was already one by a myriad of other sources. It's not like the Reception Wikis are the ones to exist. By that logic, Awful Movies wiki would be singlehandedly responsible for drawing attention to Cuties. Portrock1566 (talk) 01:27, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
There's was once a video on YouTube made by a known YouTuber that mentioned the wiki's page in the video, but recently the video was removed. MariaJúlia1718 (talk) 10:47, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
So that renders your point moot. Notice how you said "once a video"? Yeah, only one video by a nobody. There'll always be abundance of sources to cover tragic events. The Reception Wikis only does that theoretically and not because they care, but to spread propaganda. Portrock1566 (talk) 16:29, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
I'm aware about this, but also if are not aware, fans of Ladybug also linked the TS&EW page on Twitter, and I know almost no known user commented about that, except some cartoon YouTubers commented about the case, but they did not use the wiki's page about the suicide, because they don't use the wiki as a source and they heard about the case on Twitter instead. MariaJúlia1718 (talk) 16:41, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose Although I was originally retired from Qualitipedia, I was still able to work on the wikis, like Shows and Movies Wiki. LancedSoul (talk) 22:14, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
What are you even saying? Is this even an argument for keeping the wikis open? Marxo Grouch (talk) 00:38, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Strong oppose Although I have seen the flaws that this wiki has, I feel that it's very underwhelming to delete everything that was set up and established, I'd say that it could use some work if it needs to be fixed. ExploringEditor (talk) 17:36, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose It would be really upsetting to delete all these wikis. Sure, they have problems, but I still think we can improve these wikis if we just try. Many users have worked hard on certain pages, and we've made so much, and deleting it all would be depressing. L3ncorp animations. (talk) 03:05, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Strong oppose I like what those on this side of the responses have to say, like Kpop And Earthbound Fanatic still wanting to have fun with blog posts, and people finding friends and others to talk to there, and as for me, I do not really see the issues that you have with these wikis because they are still alright to me. Consequences with a big userbase, like even more people not knowing how to make articles, just happen, and sites like TV Tropes also have these, if only we could protect our pages better. How about if you can read pages even if you are not comfirmed, but you can only contribute to them if you are? People are also getting tired of staff retiring to the point where they stop taking it seriously, as seen on the Discord server. Long story short, have a bad feeling about what would happen if the wikis go away. Thank you. CarlFilip19 (talk) 08:54, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose I want to be still active here, also that's stupid to shutdown Qualitipedia just because of the sockpuppets. I hope FatBurn and BaldiBasicsFan reopen the Wikis if this RFC will be successful. Am0ngU$ (talk) 14:59, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Sockpuppets aren't the only problem issued by the proposal, and wikis can't be reopened if they're closed by a bureaucrat on the wiki (I assume that a bureaucrat will close the wikis if the RfC succeeds). I've seen a few people try to reopen the website wikis on Miraheze Meta, only to be turned down because of them being closed by a bureaucrat. Marxo Grouch (talk) 15:43, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Maybe if I want the wikis reopened independently, I should be given some bureaucrat rights. Again, it will be discussed if agreed or not. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 18:12, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose Qualitipedia never be closed. Please don't shut down Qualitipedia :'( It is saddening and we won't longer see the hilariously funny custom headers especially for most popular content loved and hated. #DontShutDownQualitipedia LT5 TDI (talk) 21:08, 2 September 2022 (UTC)--
Custom headings are what's part of the problem with modern Qualitipedia. People wouldn't stop trying too hard to give literally every page a custom header to the point where it's not funny and it just comes off as forced. It's especially annoying when someone does it to a page in the average media category and the header says something like "Why Jar Jar is not a humble servant" and then put "Bad Qualities" in parentheses. I've even seen some people do that without even including "Bad Qualities" in parentheses. And some don't even make sense. For example, one of the Transformers pages used "Autobot Qualities" instead of "Good Qualities." DeadPixel (talk) 01:48, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Custom headings were one of the most disastrous additions to the wikis. I've been removing all the lame and stupid ones ever since it was passed. How a lot of users are not fine with a simple why it rocks or bad qualities is beyond me. Nonstopmaximum (talk) 16:39, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose There are so many missing pieces of media on QP, and I would say closing it is a bit overly harsh. We could just try to fix all of its issues. YoungArtist79 (talk) 18:41, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Just because QP doesn’t cover every single bit of media (which is impossible) doesn’t mean it should stay open until we complete that goal (which again, is impossible). —Blazikeye535 (talk) 22:47, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose: Seriously? WTF. I've been here for 3 years and the wikis will shut down? I still am interested. It's fun, but maybe fresh start? I mean, these wikis were an Alt-Right, 4chan supporting, gamergate mess. But I'm not here to talk politics. I'm here to tell you that these wikis shaped my life. I love to see a simple breakdown on why media is trash or gold. It influences my buying patters. PLEASE DON'T CLOSE THESE WIKIS DOWN! JrStudios (talk) 00:20, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose I think we should remove some pages to make the wiki more organized, besides, we should keep only the most accessed wikis like Best/Terrible Shows & Episodes, Greatest/Awful Movies and Awesome/Crappy Games. Jvsp (talk) 16:46, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose I understand that QP has flaws, but nothing is perfect. Instead of closing it down, all of us should work as a community and fix it. You can't edit a blog or a review, but you can edit a page on QP, and that's its greatest strength. Besides, if it weren't for Crappy Games Wiki, I would've never found Miraheze. Tali64³ (talk) 19:20, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
It's been proven time and time again that cannot be done. GyrineZ (talk) 22:43, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose QP may not be perfect, but that does not mean it should be closed entirely, it is extremely interesting as a whole to read and edit, by this logic every community should be shut down because of a few bad apples, which every community will inevitably have. Battlestar (talk) 00:47, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
The problem is more than just a few bad apples. It would aptly be described as a whole orchard of bad apples with only 15% being fresh, and it's all held up by a concept and structure that just weren't meant to hold. Marxo Grouch (talk) 02:39, 5 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose As much as I understand that Qualitipedia has plenty of problems, I don't really think shutting down the wikis is a good idea. Ivanov Quirkafleeg (talk) 15:07, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose:I spend so many hours on these wikis and ending these wought be like youtube end. I start knowing many youtubers like Nathaniel Bandy (hence my username) or see good reason why I hated some childhood games like Free Riders on 360. o and have some better look at games like Action 52. these wikis are realy useful and fun to read and now there soppost too be close? NO WAY, they have problems yes, but completly closing them? No.Nathaniel Fan 64 (talk) 15:48, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
I learned much more from the Wikis than you, yet I'm not attached. Geoshea was the most famous person I met so far, but I didn't defend him when he was outted as a pedophile who groomed my friend KBOS. By that logic, humans still need wisdom teeth because they helped pur ancestors eat before cooking was discovered. Yet another carbon copy of the same unoriginal "arguments". Portrock1566 (talk) 22:01, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose Years of hard work and research would go down the drain. These wikis also help provide another perspective into why something is bad, highlight the bad qualities whilst criticizing it and praising it and whatnot. They make for an interesting read and shutting down the wikis because of how many bad apples there are isn't generally a good idea. If people aren't up for moderating it, it could be handed down to more people. -- --SubzeroNoSc0pe (talk (contribs) 15:09, 6 September 2022 (PDT)
Holy shit, can you guys make something without the "I worked on the Wikis so long", "They show opinions, reception, and quality", "We can fix it" "Pass it down" etc cliches? Doesn't it annoy you as well in contrast to the all those on the support side having their own reasons? Portrock1566 (talk) 22:21, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose: I feel like this would be an incredibly bad idea, since, I get that QP has flaws, but think of the community who are against closing Qualitipedia. I feel like we should help keep it alive. Without Qualitipedia, how can I see some of my favorite things on the positive reception wikis? ChhitTooner (talk) 18:19, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
"We can fix it" How is this any different from everything above? Portrock1566 (talk) 19:45, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose: Put some thought into that. It would be insane of a thing to take down. Moderators who helped this project shape up to what it is. People contribute and shutting it down would make that hard work a waste of time and effort. I think Qualitipedia has done stupid things in the past, but shutting this entire project down would be something I dont think I would forgive Miraheze for. Keep this into your head. HonestOpinionator (talk) 21:00, 8 September 2022 (GMT)
It's not the Miraheze staff that's proposing the closure, but rather the staff of Qualitipedia that suggests closure. Miraheze is not Qualitipedia; it just hosts Qualitipedia. Also, if you want to archive a page then do so on somewhere such as the Wayback Machine. Marxo Grouch (talk) 18:52, 8 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose: I understand that the wikis aren't doing as great like they used to but we still have a chance to make some improvements to them, We can try and make them less toxic and to avoid them getting closed like the Atrocious YouTubers Wiki and the Rotten Websites wiki. MinecraftWikia2349 (talk) 3:02, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
It's FAR too late for that. GyrineZ (talk) 04:09, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Oppose Yet, there is lots of admins retiring, but I think it is selfish to bring along QP to close. These wikis can be still use for reference and as a review site. Instead I suggest something like prohibiting new users to edit the wikis - this would help more. Most wikis are experiencing difficulties when operated for some time, but we should be overcoming these difficulties first. Closing the wikis should be the last resort. -Matttest (talk) 02:30, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
This is the last resort. Wikis are also an unreliable source because they can be edited by anyone. GyrineZ (talk) 12:04, 10 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose Shut It Down Completely! Are You Crazy! I Haven't Even seen the Site Fall to Chaos at all, let alone had a Breakdown. You just over Reacting Guys, Fix What ever you have. Andrewgtv05 (talk) 22:58, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
I have a feeling that this user hasn't been paying that much attention to what goes on behind the scenes. The people who wrote this RfC, myself included, are crazy enough to acknowledge the drama and content issues that occur in the network. Marxo Grouch (talk) 23:17, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
This oppose defines everything wrong with the nature of the opposes in this RfC. First of all, your grammar is abysmal, which makes it difficult to understand what you’re trying to say. Second, you claim that the supporters are "overreacting" which shows that you can’t handle different opinions and/or you’re oblivious to all the problems associated with the wikis. Thirdly, I’ve never seen you once prior to this vote, which heavily implies that you’re a rando with next to no stakes and knowledge of the wikis. And last but not least, you use the typical "they can be fixed" argument without going into depth whatsoever. So congratulations I guess, you’ve made the worst oppose of this RfC yet. —Blazikeye535 (talk) 00:52, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose If it shuts down, I'm leaving Miraheze. UsedPieman187 (talk) 03:23, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Okay, I take back what I said about the oppose above being the worst oppose yet, because you managed to make an even worse oppose. Not only are you a complete rando with no business voting on this RfC, you don't even provide any reason as to why you're opposing, just making threats to leave Miraheze. Pathetic. --Blazikeye535 (talk) 04:01, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Opposebut support reorganization This may sound unusual but I have been approached by a user who I will not name and asked whether I wanted to participate in this Request for Comment even though I have never been part of the Qualitipedia network in any way. I would assume the person approached me because I am a regular contributor to Requests for Comments which take place on Meta and regard the entire Miraheze platform. At first I did not wish to participate because of the fact that I am not active on Qualitipedia and because it was my assumption that I would not be allowed to due to the simple fact that I have never edited on Qualitipedia and do not know how it operates to any meaningful extent. The reason why I decided to vote is because I believe that the Qualitipedia/Reception wikis are an important part of the Miraheze community and it should consequently be proper for globally interested users to take part in it.
After reading certain comments and the main arguments the main idea which I have is that the proposal is misguided. Rather than attempting to slightly modify how Qualitipedia operates and then decide to simply close all projects when that did not work a solution that would seem preferable would be to indeed close the wikis as they stand but instead create a new concept that eliminates the issues that are identified, most notably the issue of people pretending that articles are not biased when they in fact are. This solution would also take into account the vast community of users who oppose this proposal for reasons that pertain to the community and to all the work that has been put into these wikis. Rather than forcing a closure on these users if people do not want to work on Qualitipedia there is no one who is forcing them to say. All users who support the closure could easily retire from Qualitipedia rather than force the closure of the project. I recognize that a reformation of the Qualitipedia project might fail again but given the large amount of users that wish for it to continue I do not see why it would be an issue to attempt it.
Now to address the main arguments for closure. Regarding the argument about unbiased/biased I have mentioned that the solution would be a radical change to Qualitipedia concept and a rethink of the entire system. To address the failed improvement argument it appears to me that the people who commented on this Request are generally intelligent and reasonable people and have spend a considerable amount of time commenting here which is time that could have been spent on re-imagining the project or working on improving on it. If really only two people have tried to reform the project that would explain why the reform did not work. Everyone must be an interested party and wiling to assist such a huge effort. Now as to the argument about Miraheze's reputation even if I do not have all the details it seems to be an exaggeration and it mostly relies on this blog entry and other relatively niche sources which are not meaningful. In either case Miraheze offers the possibility of having a customized domain that does not use the .miraheze.org domain and which would allow for a de-association to an extent from Miraheze. If the issue is one regarding Miraheze staff which I am aware is quite limited it would once again require more users to step up and assist with countervandalism on the Qualitipedia wikis.
In conclusion while I do not know too much about Qualitipedia based on the comments I have seen my view is that it is not fair to the users who have built a community here to be forced into a shutdown simply because some users do not want to keep trying and wish to leave. If necessary the 'leavers' can leave the project as they wish and the 'remainers' can work together and attempt a larger reformation of Qualitipedia that addresses the issues the 'leavers' have pointed out. If this is not possible then it would be time to close but as far as there is a significant amount of willing users a closure does not make sense to me. I am aware that I have not addressed all the arguments but I believe that my vote is already long enough. --DeeM28 (talk) 09:46, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
I actually agree with most of your points, but to me, this sounds like a support. This would basically require a full refresh of Qualitipedia, and would take a decently long time. The Goose Named Zeus (talk) (contribs) (CentralAuth) (Board) 13:06, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose: I actually do like these wikis, and these were where i found out about many obscure stuff and ideas i've never found about certain elements talked about. Granted some people might not like how some elements might be arranged. Perhaps instead of deleting maybe reconsider some articles proven with more reliable sources. Chad (talk) 20:00, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
"I actually do like these wikis." Can one of you opposers come up with something original for once? --Blazikeye535 (talk) 20:21, 13 September 2022 (UTC)
what a strong hit for the oppose directly above this one, which was surprisigly good to be treated as just another oppose. Yonydesk (talk) 00:54, 14 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose: While I think the qualitipedias have went downhill recently, they shouldn't be closed, they helped me to take consideration of how to make a good show/film/book/game and made me aware of what makes them good or bad, also the wikis have plenty of good articles who criticize media with valid criticisms, if people act toxic, please block them since they are breaking the code of conduct of Miraheze. If the reception wikis shut down I will be so sad, my life became terrible in recent months and it shouldn't turn worse.
The reception wikis also criticize biased sources like IGN and companies that do scummy practices, it truly frustrates how the moderators are not doing what they should do, taking care of bad users, seriously, complaining without trying to solve a problem only makes you look more incompetent, closing a wiki beacuse of its problems with the userbase is not necessary when you can improve the wikis, I've seen some posts on DeviantArt that criticized the Qualitipedias for their poor quality control, and you should respond positively to criticism since the qualitipedias have criticized people and companies for not taking criticism. HeavenSmile (talk) 17:59, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
No offense, but you're acting like Bluba right now, due to your increasing attachment to these dying wikis, and you saying that you'll be miserable or suicidal over something inconsiquential like their inevitable closure shows just how stuck in the past you are and seriously, it's not healthy in the slightest and I really think you need help at this point. Like I told you before, Qualitipedia can't be saved despite our best efforts and shutting it down entirely will be good for everyone, including you, whether you realize it or not. Let go of the past and move on with the future. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 12:34, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
I am criticizing this move because you forget the good qualities that the Qualitipedias have, such as the multiple good articles they have, also because they give the pieces of media the criticism they deserve since sometimes pieces of media can have a different reception from audiences from their reception from critics. but instead to help the wikis the admins are only becoming more incompetent, this truly upsets me because you are making the Qualitipedias look worse than they are. HeavenSmile (talk) 23:10, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose: If the websites shut down the internet will lose countless high quality pages. UnboundBeartic (talk) 17:41, 20 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose: I know I'm commenting pretty late, but I do not want Qualitipedia to go away and want it to have its second chance. I really enjoyed contributing in 2021 a lot and I want to reboot my skills after my almost one year of retirement. ThePCGamer (talk) 16:00 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Why am I not surprised by your non-reason? Portrock1566 (talk) 16:45, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Your oppose genuinely pisses me off. You retired a year ago because you couldn't stand the community anymore, yet you come back to oppose this RfC even though the community is even worse than it was last year while also pretending like nothing was wrong with the wikis. That's a little something I like to call "hypocrisy". --Blazikeye535 (talk) 17:11, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
These wikis have been given chance after chance after chance. And each time they've gotten worse. It's now to the point I regret making them and want them gone for good. ElementalHeroes (talk) 20:23, 21 September 2022 (UTC)
Strongest oppose: I'm opposing, but honestly with everyone else giving weak reasons for opposing, I don't know what to say. --EdEddandEddyFan (talk 14:10, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
Why even bother opposing then? Your vote isn’t even going to count since you didn’t add any reason whatsoever. —Blazikeye535 (talk) 17:21, 25 September 2022 (UTC)
Abstain Not yet. There are still some things I wanna resolve here before I call it quits here. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 4:33, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Abstain I legit was losing a bit of interest in Qualitipedia as of this year being honest with you. But I never lost hope for Miraheze as a whole as we speak. I'm glad I had a good run here. I'll be turning 23 in the next 6 days, but I will NEVER forget these wikis, EVER! --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 00:22, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
AbstainI have a feeling the entire reception wikis will end up lost media, if they end up going away after the wikis being privated after 6 months, considering the years of work done on them. Nidoking (talk) 00:40, 31 August 2022 (UTC) Switched to Oppose
That is a good thing. Every single page on all nine wikis, including non-mainspace pages, should be archived in the Wayback Machine if this RfC passes. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 14:29, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Abstain To be honest I have no clue but I can understand why you want the wikis to shut down because of a lot of problems to the point where it causes a lot of problems to the wikis as a whole. Now I do still want to make pages for the wikis but the wikis themselves have gotten low in maturity which is why we have some drama involving Nintendo (though resolved because of a page on CGW), The Loud House (mainly the Netflix film), Sausage Party, pages on real people including the Celebtards (also resolved), the Family Guy, SpongeBob, and The Simpsons redirects, Teen Titans Go being considered "average" and the one time Pokemon got into drama once. Then there's also the fact that we should consider that not everyone is going to agree with a certain piece of media being on either wiki like Raya and the Last Dragon being placed on GMW or Sonic Lost World being placed on AGW due to some media being decisive all because of what critics and fans would think and popular opinions meaning that people have the right to express their own opinion. The same can apply to media that may be liked by the majority in some way yet it still managed to get some negative feedback like the Jim Carrey version of The Grinch being placed in AMW despite its cult status or when Fortnite has an additional page on CGW despite being well received even though it has flaws that are hard to ignore. Also, don't get me started on edit warring and immature users as well. Even though I will be fine with the wikis closing, I'm also going to stay neutral about this. PlantyB0i (talk) 00:55, 31 August 2022 (CDT)
Abstain For now I'm too mixed to determine if we should close the wikis or if we shouldn't close the wikis. I guess what I'm saying is that maybe put the wikis on hiatus, or wait til we close these wikis for good. On one hand, I defiantly agree Qualitipedia has been going down the toilet and is losing intrest. But on the other hand, I worry the fate of what's gonna happen if the wikis do close. For the most part I used to be 100% active on these wikis, even during school class, but as time went on during this summer, evantually everything started to fade away from using the wikis. There's a few main reasons for this. Firstly, the thing I said- it turned Summer. During Summer was my time to start relaxing and forget all about my issues. And it's kinda sad to say this, but I feel using Qualitpedia was one of those issues. I think I was getting stressed out from using the wikis and seeing all the pages 24/7, so when summer began, I for the most part began to become more and more inactive on the wikis. I wasn't completeley inactive, and I still chimed in for stuff like stopping bad debates, fixing up my pages, etc. But that is way more lackluster to what I did when it wasn't summer. The second main reason I started to become less active was due to focusing on new activities. As I said, Qualitipedia surfing consumed most of my time, but when it became summer, I started looking for other things besides critiquing shows, games, characters, etc. I started making more animations, expressing my inner nerd, planning goals outside, and finding myself in the chaos of early teens. Of course, I do still critique those said things, but more suttly now. The final reason I believe I've become more inactive is actually due to Qualitpedia discord. I like using the discord more because I get chacnes to express myself even more than I could on the wikis. Heck, I'm thanking joining the Discord and meeting the admin for my redemption arc on not getting so angry or rude most of the time. I am still working on that, but Discord overally helped increase my good reputation on the wikis. So that's all my main reasons on why I haven't been on the wikis that often. What does this have to do with the topic you may ask? Well for the most part, Qualitipedia relies on the many users who help explore and critique things, but when people start losing intrest, i.e. me, many users start to act rude, selfish, toxic, and pathetic, and that has lead to the tale of many infamous users like MBF, SonicFTW, FB0 (well, not really but was) NoYB, etc. Whilst some of the users did try to redeem themselves, it didn't do much. But I'm not going to continue this debate only saying the wikis should be closed, because I have words on why they shouldn't, and it has to do with everyone I met. I have met and bonded many people on the wikis, many of which I relate to. That goes out to TigerBlazer, BaldisBasicsFan, PlantyBOI, Zangler, Nidoking, ShawnTehLogoBoi, and my first ever Qualitpedia friend, Alex-5170 (I probs spelled that wrong sry e). So I'm worried if the wikis end, my relationship with them will start falling apart, and I don't want them. They have helped me so much during my journey on the wikis, and I don't want that to stop. So yeah. I'm really sorry this is way longer than it should, but I just want my best input on the issue. Sincereley, - Reviweing97Shows (talk) 00:59, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Abstain Despite the issues QP has, I'm not sure if we should close the wikis. Since late 2020, I have been an active contributor on this family of websites, but even if the wikis shut down, I'll remain on the Dsicord server. CrazySpruiker2001 (talk) 02:15, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Abstain On one hand, this would mean better PR for Miraheze and it would probably get me to seek some more productive hobbies, but on the other, I’ve found these wikis to be a great place to see why a lot of people like or dislike a form of media as well as the bad or redeeming qualities to it, and I’ve also found it a great place to rant about a bunch of executive meddling and bad business practices. DeadPixel (talk) 05:14, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Abstain I suggest start over from scratch or froze (lock up and archive) the wikis for indefinite amount of time, and or an new-style page format that replaces the current "Why It Rocks/Sucks" and "Redeeming Qualities" format... --Theresnoname (talk) 15:29, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Abstain This is a very very hard decision, for me these wikis helped me have something to do, but also the quality of the wikis right now is not doing very doing good, but the I meet are really nice, I don’t know what is going to happen next, if successful, but It is too difficult decide Gilimaster69 (talk) 19:42, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
Abstain These wikis mean quite a lot to me, since it got me into rating media & making random fake shows, and the wikis gave me a lot of nostalgia. But these wiki's community has worsened in recent months with rude, selfish, toxic, and pathetic users like MBF, SonicFTW, FB0 (well, not really but was) and NoYB, not to mention the wiki is suffering from multiple other problems and has ruined the reputation of Miraheze. For now, I'll say I'm the middle between keeping the wikis or closing them, maybe just lock up and archive the wikis for indefinite amount of time. Anyways, Hwyl fawr for now. BlakeIsHere458 (talk) 00:57, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
"With rude, selfish, toxic, and pathetic users like MBF, SonicFTW, FBO (well, not really but was) and NoYB..." You can make debates, but don't plagarize from people, i.e. me. It's wrong, and by keeping stolen text it will make yourself look like one of the users I listed. - Reviweing97Shows (talk) 19:10 PM, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Abstain I was gonna oppose this, but since my reason dumbs down to "nooo i like the wikis don't close pl0z ;_;", I'm gonna abstain. If this RfC does pass (oh god no), I'd say start over from scratch (per above, i am not original kek). NewAccountLOL (talk) 01:04, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Abstain I'm really thinking about this as something that has its own goods and its own bads, but like most other RFC's that I've contributed to, some of my reasons for this have already been listed, however I think that I should point out some of my own reasonings by myself now. Currently, I've been making my living by making articles, and to see the wikis that I bring my articles to going away is not an easy thing to see. If this RFC does go through however, I really hope that I am able to archive my articles in some sort of way, since that I really don't want to let go of all of my hard work, and I want to be helpful towards others as well. I also remember a few folks around here that I do appreciate, such as TigerBlazer, Zangler, DarkMatterMan4500, and a few others, even if it took a little while to get used to some, but in the end and what matters the most, is that we got on good terms anyway. For now though, thank you to all of you who've been supporting me in any sort of way. Inka Dinka Doo (talk) 02:34, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
I appreciate you too pal. Thanks for keeping that other pair of wikis sufficiently alive for all this time. Zangler (talk) 02:51, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
Abstain I understand the flaws the wikis have and would be okay with the closure but at the same time, can they be resolved? Maybe there could be a chance, if the staff were invested enough. Given the state right now, things are becoming a bit stagnant despite numberous edits (lack of improvements, not alot of content). I never got bored with browsing the wikis, as there are still good written pages and some that could be improved and concept has some value to it. I get that Youtubers and websites can review the media the same, QP has this compact format that is quick and simple, it's a niche review medium that has flaws but it works in the end. Reviews are always subjective its expected to have some opposition and thats why the reviews have to be written clearer. I would be more okay with closing them (particularly the TV shows wikis, that needs a reboot getting messier on every article) if we want to make a more refined wiki that hopefully remains faithful how the original wikis wanted to be and have a stricter vision. The rules are admitelly a mess (too many of them and kinda vague, needs more specifcation on what media is allowed like allow obscure or fan content). It can possible to fix if the community was invested enough but chances are appearing low. Nonetheless if they do close, It has been a good time editing and browsing the wikis, the fun was great while it lasted. Equal One (talk) 01:00, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Abstain I was unaware that Miraheze was having problems with Qualitipedia, but that shouldn't be a reason why they should be shut down. I'm abstain my vote because Qualitipedia has been going downhill due to completely unnecessary changes that I haven't seen other people talking about. The removal of celebrity pages on all wikis and the celebtards page on TT&EW, the deletion of decently-written pages due to "weak pointers", the removal of anything sjw-bashing related, and the removal of anything that involves politics such as the racewashing page on AMW. I really don't want to see Qualitipedia deleted, but I also want to see it back the way it was and I know with certainty that it will never happen, which is why I don't care if the RfC passes. There aren't a lot of websites that allow you to talk freely on controversial topics so I find this as a place for fans of mediums to speak out their minds without being afraid of being censored or canceled (even if this was unintentional). Maybe I was wrong assuming this, but this is why I originally came here in the first place. I'm sorry to hear that the admins are having issues with an influx of new and current users causing problems, but what else should you expect from dealing with children? Sofaking we todd it (talk) 03:00, 2 September 2022 (UTC)
Abstain I am aware of the flaws of both Qualitipedia and Miraheze. I understand that they may not improve any time soon, but might by chance. However, I like viewing these wikis from time to time mainly to understand a topic's flaws (yes, users who add biased points are a huge bother). I would vote to close down the wikis because there's no chance that it will return to what it once was, but at the same time, I want to vote to keep them, since they have grown on me a bit, and it's hard for me to say goodbye so soon. BubbleTeaGamer (talk) 14:13, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Abstain As much as I don't agree to close qualitipedia, it still has some problems that still make me doubt. RaichuBoy1 (talk) 22:18, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Abstain This RfC is a mixed bag for me. As problematic as QP is, a part of me wants it to stay for a subjective and biased reason. I'm just so conflicted. The dethroning moment of QP for me was custom headings. At first I liked them but eventually they just got annoying and repetitive. Banning custom headings might be a start, but all the kids on QP won't let them go away. Overall, there's still some optimism left inside me that just refuses to go away, so I'm going to search up every page on the original six wikis and try to look for biased pointers and remove them. And yes, I still believe the websites wikis should remain, and frankly, I don't know why. That is all. SleepParalysisDemon (talk) 12:40, 6 September 2022 (UTC)
Abstain I was going to put oppose, but I can't think of a particular reason other than no I enjoyed reading the wikis. I lost interest in contributing after RWW was closed though. ᗩᖶᓍᘻᓰᑢSᖶᗩᖇ - 19:17, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Abstain I honestly do not know what to say about this. I do like reading these wikis to see why certain shows/episodes/movies/games suck. In fact this wiki series is why I joined Miraheze in the first place. It was nice contributing to those wikis, but I also do understand why this wiki series needs to be closed, due to people's thoughts on these wikis. I don't feel ready to make a decision on the fate of them yet though... 1033Forest (talk) 21:31, 7 September 2022 (UTC)
Nice to see you again, Daniloeverton, with the wikis shutting down next week, I'm planning to make a wiki with well-received Brazilian programs only called Programas Brilhantes da TV Brasileira, which won't have any relation with Qualitipedia, hope are you interested to join to the wiki.
Abstain Alright, so i decided to reword my response and abstain after seeing the reasoning of both sides more clearer now. I do see how much of a hassle it is to take care of and just how problematic QP is. Though you eventually have to let go of stuff and i don't really agree with the reasoning of both sides in a way. The pages could at least be archived on the wayback machine/internet archive in case people want to view them again. You can't satisfy both sides in this case really with deleting them without archiving them. --SubzeroNoSc0pe (talk) (contribs) 20:42, 8 September 2022 (PDT)
I agree with archiving things. Yesterday, a pair of wikis (founded by Duchess) that I once worked on a lot has suddenly been closed down (by Duchess himself), even though this RfC isn't finished yet (at the time of typing this up), and the reason for the closing is false as well, and there was no last chances or warnings to archive any articles on the wiki due to the somewhat random closure. I guess it was somewhat my fault for not archiving them earlier, but how was I supposed to tell when the wikis were gonna close down without any warnings? Inka Dinka Doo (talk) 07:50, 9 September 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, I worked an article in one of the wikis duchess was running. I didn't get a chance to archive it either. In it's current state, archiving it (wiki with the article i was working on) now would be useless :/ --SubzeroNoSc0pe (talk) (contribs) 14:56, 9 September 2022 (PDT)
Abstain I used to contribute wikis part of RW/QP for three-and-a-half years despite some recent controversial events. If this happens because of the following decisions with no chance to oppose it, I will retire away from here probably while I'm just doing it somewhere on Wikimedia projects. HarvettFox96 (talk) 07:19, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
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