Both "The Best Music & Songs Wikia Wiki" and "The Horrible Music & Songs Wikia Wiki" have been deleted. Should our music wikis (Delightful Music & Songs Wiki and Worst Music & Songs Wiki) be reopened?
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Note that there is also Horrible Music & Songs Wiki.
Horrible Music & Songs Wiki has also been closed. This means that our wikis should definitely be reopened because they are now the only music wikis.
Ok.
How did you discover my comments on that Reception Wiki rant video on YouTube?
I'm pretty sure Raidarr isn't here anymore.
I haven't left, just retired.
I'm not sure what comments you're referring to, but I know I went through some of the ranting videos on YouTube rather thoroughly a few months back.
Ok. That explains it.
Although I initially just requested this on the cleanup template talk page on TSEW, since it appears to be an issue on several wikis, may I please request that you restore the deleted edits on the cleanup templates on all of the following wikis:
I know that this RFC is technically not closed yet, but since (a you yourself said that it would make sense to close the RFC as unnecessary and (b a stub template has been created on both the game wikis anyway, is it possible you could close the RFC and restore the template on all wikis (including existing ones with deleted edits)?
Also, Magnificent Literature Wiki needs one to be created entirely.
I need to catch up on RfC closures in general; to be quite honest I haven't been motivated to. I'm hoping to be at some point this week.
If the wikis are going to be closed, could you please private them? If you don't, users will have the ability to copypaste pages from them.
I'm pretty sure he didn't private them to let users archive the pages, which was talked about quite a bit.
If people copy them into an inappropriate location then they will be dealt with, but I had no intentions of setting them to private and that was a stipulation early in the RfC. Archiving is indeed something I intend to be possible, though it's not an invitation to mirror the wiki to other Miraheze wikis.
After 6 Months the wiki will disappear, so I believe the best action will be not privating them and move pages over.
i will pirate the wiki from the dark web
LMAO (just realised how stupid of a question "That's a joke, right?" is).
I would personally disagree with completely creating a new page. While I'm fine with you rewriting it, it would be better if you rewrote it at the same page, then renamed it, so the history was kept.
The redirect will not be removed, so the history will be kept. Either way it's not exactly a fully voted in policy; its history was never too strictly binding.
Still, the history should be in the current page.
no offense but you're just using "history" as a fancy word to describe something obsolete as if it was relevant today. same with people who cry "free speech" as a fancy way of protecting useless and harmful actions. doesn't help that you break dialogue flow by using "Still," and reiterating your argument.
I'll consider using a proper page move when the draft is farther along and if the content bears enough resemblance. Otherwise I disagree that the current page is/was meaningful enough to build into a total revision's history.
I want to see these wikis alive, and I read that you can send someone the XML dumps if they remove the wikis, so can I have them if they accept? If so, thanks in advance.
When the RfC is finalized I can give this a look. Note that the dumps would be more for personal use as they can't simply be rehosted on another Miraheze domain.
I do not think the music wikis should have been closed. They are forks for a reason.
- Delightful Music & Songs Wiki is a fork of Best Music & Songs Wiki because the wiki had moved. I do know that Best Music & Songs Wiki was closed afterwards, and I also know that DuchessTheSponge was an admin there, meaning that the were owned by the same administration and it was just a simple wiki move. The reason why is that it was moved to another wiki to avoid confusion with Best Shows & Episodes Wiki. Also, Best Music & Songs Wiki is now deleted.
- As for Worst Music & Songs Wiki, well, that situation is more complicated. Two wikis claim to be the true "Horrible Music & Songs Wiki" (which I will refer to by domain name for simplicity’s sake). The version that you had cited WM&SW to be forked from, "thehorriblemusicandsongswikiawiki", is not the right version. It is forked from "horriblemusicandsongswiki", which was forked because there was originally an election to adopt the wiki, however the discussion went nowhere, and there are no active admins on that version. Personally, I recognize "horriblemusicandsongswiki" as the true Horrible Music & Songs Wiki, and consider "thehorriblemusicandsongswikiawiki" to be a splinter faction.
So both wikis are only "forked" because they moved. Closing Delightful Music & Songs Wiki in particular is doing more harm than good given that the wiki moved willingly, and is now deleted, thus Delightful Music & Songs Wiki is just the current version. As for Worst Music & Songs Wiki, we could open up a discussion regarding it's future, as well as the future of both wikis that claim to be "Horrible Music & Songs Wiki". So I would at least reopen Delightful Music & Songs Wiki and at some point attempt to reach a discussion about the future of Worst Music & Songs Wiki.
- Much like with the two Horrible Music & Songs wikis, there are two Best Music & Songs wikis as well - Best Music Wiki is the original wiki, bestmusicandsongswiki was only on Miraheze first because BMW was on Fandom until July 2021 when the wiki migrated, and the Fandom version didn't close until late September 2021. bestmusicandsongswiki was a fork made by Inkster because the Outcasts didn't like the original wiki.
- thehorriblemusicandsongswikiawiki actually is the right version. Much like BMW, the wiki was originally on Fandom until December 2020 when the wiki migrated, and the Fandom version has been closed since February 21, 2021. horriblemusicandsongswiki was originally created by CHICHI7YT, the owner of the Fandom wiki at the time, in case the Fandom version closed down (since a lot of other reception wikis were closing down at the time), however NTVM2005 (at the time known as Benderban01) falsely claimed that they created the wiki, and the main page was edited to make it look like the wiki was supposed to be against the original wiki, and since CHICHI7YT retired in October 2019, HarmonTower805 had to make a new wiki to migrate to.
So they are technically both the real one. This just further complicates matters.
Also, I just discovered that you cited the wrong wiki for Best Music & Songs Wiki. I should open up a discussion regarding this since there seems to be a lot to unpack.
Also, the wikis whose domain name ends in "wikiawiki" are not the real versions, they are splinter factions. So they should not have been cited as the true versions, despite some people wrongly recognizing them as the true wikis. This is an extremely deep rabbit hole that extends into some of the major parts of reception wiki history.
The music wikis were made private (not necessarily closed, though closed to public editing) for two general reasons. 1. The pages were ripped extensively from the wikis I cited, which had far more extended histories of the same pages in a majority of cases. Few were originally by our QP versions. A complaint was made regarding these ripoffs and I had absolutely no reason not to take it in light of the above. This was the primary reason and I will not unclose the wikis until that is remedied. If you can link even more accurate original wikis to the ones I linked, be my guest, though it will not change the fate of the wikis as made private. 2. Removing the above that were, regardless of source, ripped off from wikis with far more established background leaves the wikis with virtually nothing to work with. They were, and are drains on bureaucrat time for topics with limited usable reception or public interest. They are not topics that bring anything to our network especially as they are covered perfectly fine elsewhere, in two other sets of places by your accounting. Delightful Music and Songs is not a more current version if the BM&S wiki has more complete page histories. This was primarily checked by @TigerBlazer.
The wikis I cited were the wikis I checked. In light of technical evidence suggesting our versions were the ripoffs, I do not buy your claim that what we had were rightful successors. I've seen only evidence to the contrary.
I will not change the decision until something more concrete is provided to tell differently.
I am pretty sure that both of the wikis ending in "wikiawiki" are also splinter factions, and are not the forks. This is digging up a lot of old Reception Wiki politics though. If that is the case then it would be easier to merge the wikis together into one. But unfortunately I do not know how to make a phabricator request.
It is not a phabricator request for you to make. Wiki administrations are autonomous and can only be merged if required by global policy or if they both agree to it.
Hi Raidarr, Blazikeye535 has blocked my profile on the Crappy Games wiki for two weeks, because he believes that I won't stop complaining about Angler01's cat blog.
Anyway I received no warning about this, and for some reason he blocked editing of both admin talk pages and my own, which is unfortunate as he has misinterpreted the situation, and I'd like to point out that on Angler01's cat blog, I was not commenting in anger, and that I was just probing for a sense of humour. Now he deleted those comments but as a bureaucrat you are still probably able to see them for yourself. Though really the CGW is the first wiki I've seen where so many users post random blogs, that are not related to the wiki's article content, so I'm still adjusting.
Also my recent comment on Angler01's talk page (also deleted) was made in good humour, though I did actually experience mild frustration at having to scroll through so many category edits to find interesting topics, and I was expecting to receive a reply there so I could ask how to filter those category edits out of the RC log, since the category edit filter wasn't working on them.
He also left an offensive edit note where he calls me 'Truly pathetic', I really don't think this is appropriate, as he is not only unjustly smearing my name in the short term, but after this situation has been resolved it is now he who will look bad as an admin for first misreading the situation, and then for being so rash in action and antagonistic in word. I'd really rather not have to deal with this in future or see it happen to others there, and so I'd like to set a visible precedent.
So could you please contact Blazikeye535 on the CGW for me and sort this out, thank you.
Also sorry I couldn't post relevant links in this message, I think that I would have to begin editing on Qualitipedia before I can do so.
i was one of the people who saw and commented on angler/zangler whatever's blog. while the comments are gone, i can testify that freighttrain's og comment, while maybe not done with intentions to fight, did seem like it was made with the contrary intention as it had a "ok weirdo" tone; the consequence didn't match the alleged (and questionable) intention. what was the consequence? the comments unrolled into a silly fight between the two ends where both played defensive, insults included and some other users (mods included, TigerBlazer and King Dice iirc) got involved in the insult storm, instead of making an attempt to stop.
staff leaving insults in mod notes is a common issue in qualitipedia staff too and you're not the first one to call that out. it's uneeded and unprofessional and indeed makes the admin/mod have a bad look.
that said, i dunno if all of the blogs are ruled by some rule that dictates "hey this must be related to games/movies/media" but if there's not then why bother commenting the original thing?
in conclusion i think both parties (freight and some of the staff) did wrong in handling the situation but like, freight it's hard to buy the fact you did that original comment with a """humour""" factor and not a provocatory one lol
Again I wasn't trying to draw anyone into a fight, I was just probing for a sense of humour, an off-topic blog about kittens seemed like a fun option, so if it seems like I was trying to antagonise Angler01, just note that I was only poking fun to see if I'd found an interesting user.
Also at the time I did notice that to some it might have seemed as if I were trying to cause an argument, and a day or so after the initial conversation had ended, you replied with a paragraph, and you will recall my deleted response was that you were trying to start it up once more, again I wasn't being serious or accusatory, but just to show that I was aware of what it came to look like.
And I don't actually mind people creating off-topic blogs there, why would I, it's just not something I've seen before, on some wikis or at least on FANDOM the admin go crazy when it happens, it's so less mindlessly authoritarian on Miraheze which is why I prefer these wikis.
Anyway regarding your last paragraph, I did indeed intend to be provocative, but humourously provocative, you really should be able to tell from the content, I'm clearly being silly, though I can understand if at first glance you might think I'm just immature or weirdly antagonistic; since this is on the internet after all; but if you've seen my blog articles listed on my user page there, I'm sure you will quickly be able to tell that I'm not some kind of psycho internet brat or something. I guess sometimes I assume too much.
i'll reiterate too, as much as i wrap my head from what i remmeber from your comment, i can't figure out how it's supposed to be "humourously provocative", but i digress. as you said, this is the internet; humour doesn't work the same way as with i.e. your circle of friends. i'll cite you: "if you've seen my blog articles listed on my user page there" this implies to me i needed some context beforehand to understand that the comment is a joke, that's probably why your comment failed to land as one because they lacked that context (in other words, they don't know you or don't read your blogs or brush them off). nobody will read your comment and think "oh this person may not be being provocative, i'll read all their blogs to be sure!", i personally don't read humour blogs here because i don't follow the sense of humour here. i don't know if i should trust your excuse of "i thought angler was following my game so i continued too!" but that's for the mods/admins to review now, not me. that said though, you're not some kind of psycho internet brat in my eyes tho so this is not the worst thing on the blasphemy scale.
for reference, i didn't know you answered to my response. my response was more of a way of saying "nah don't pretend you didn't add flames to the fire lol" to everyone involved (including the person i was answering to) and i didn't intend to follow, and any response afterwards i wasn't going to comment back. now i'm personally more concerned on the mods that intervened directly on the fight instead of putting the "stop" sign as it's their duties.
it's cool that you're confirming that you're in good terms with off-topic blogs and that at some point you noticed your comment wasn't the best. on the other hand, you made the "n-word? what's that???" thread in CGW so i always take you with a grain of salt.
Well if I recall correctly, my first comment was regarding my 'suspicions' that he had only created that random blog article, as a platform for using kitten-bait to fish for attention, and I also drew attention to how his username 'Angler01' only added further evidence to how he was 'fishing' for attention, so clearly you should be able to see that I'm just having a bit of fun with it, though you probably don't recall exactly what I said, and as the comments are no longer visible there I can see how you might say that.
Anyway I've always thought that most people if they receive a reply or see someone's comment, that looks like it might be mean or controversial or something, and they want to reply to it in a defensive manner, then they would usually first have at least a quick look at that person's userpage, in order to size them up and get a bit more context, before doing something that could potentially turn out to be a mistake, though again I guess I'm probably just assuming too much of people.
And no you don't have to believe me when I say I thought Angler01 was playing along, but again honestly I usually just try to see the best in people, as with my earlier comment about me expecting someone to first have a quick look at a person's profile, before replying responding in a manner which could end up making them look bad or foolish, maybe I've just seen too much soap opera.
Also your first comment on his blog was I think a day or so after the initial comments there, and was essentially just extrapolating on Angler01's last comment about his cat blog turning into a shitpost, so not really saying anything new it could have been seen as an attempt to start it back up, but again I'm sure that wasn't the case, but as I've said, I did eventually realise what it had come to look like, and used your comment as an opportunity to show that I was ware of that in case anyone was unclear on my position.
Though yeah you might not have seen my response to your comment before it was deleted, and yes I have no problem with off-topic blogs there, if I did then since I don't admin there anyway lol, so I would just be a 'Karen' if I started complaining about it.
By the way in case you were curious, my 'what is the n-word' talk page thread was just an exercise in pointing out the difference between politeness and group-enforced fear-based superstition, I did actually eventually reply there explaining this but I think that comment was removed. I believe it could have become an interesting conversation, but unfortunately some saw it as a bit too off-topic for the CGW, though I would have to disagree there, as many of the wiki's articles deal with unwanted SJW-related infiltration and influence in the video game industry.
I've made an inquiry about this on Discord.
For what it's worth I do not approve of @Blazikeye535's deletion comment. It was entirely unprofessional, especially from a fellow bureaucrat. I also think he should have issued a strong talk page warning before considering a block. There's a policy on this. Only once that warning was ignored should a block be used. Depending on what I hear the issued block will likely be drastically shortened if not removed, replaced by said warning. Blazikeye may do so himself if he feels fit. Either way it illustrates the need to press and enforce a new moderation policy that makes it more clear how blocks should not be the first resort. Even bureaucrats including myself, DMM and so forth will not be exempt, and it will have to be more strongly worded than the link above as well as enforced.
In your case @Freighttrain, I found your comments on this blog to be unnecessarily disruptive. As a joke it clearly didn't land well and you should have stopped it right there, but instead it continued to devolve the comment section. For that I agree action was needed, though after deletion and per above I'd have gone with a warning - straight to block is heavy handed. Your comment in this topic was also entirely unhelpful and I agree with its removal. You need to temper the edge. Otherwise pending Blazikeye's response I'll be looking at this again tomorrow.
Yes regarding how I just continued on with that conversation on his cat blog, honestly at the time I just felt as if he had picked up on what I was doing, and was responding in kind, like a comedic dialogue in an impromptu skit or something.
So as I mentioned to Yonydesk in my reply above, I did eventually notice how it looked and that Angler01 might not have realised that I was being funny, and so I attempted to defuse it with that weird little anecdote, which by the way is actually a true story in case you were wondering. And then when Yonydesk commented there later you will notice I cautioned him against trying to start it up again, again I wasn't being accusatory toward him as I'm sure he wasn't actually trying to do so, but just to show I was aware of what it had come to look like.
Anyway regarding my more recent reply on Angler01's talk page message, again I figured that he had realised that I was joking on his cat blog, and decided to leave another playful message in good humour, so I don't actually think that it was he who had notified an admin about that talk page comment, I think Blazikeye535 just saw it and; lacking a better understanding of the broader context; decided that I was just being a bully or something. Though aside from that I did actually experience some frustration at having to scroll through all those category edits in the RC log, and was looking for a solution since the category filter wasn't working.
And honestly I'm not trying to be 'edgy' or whatever you call it on his talk page, I was just being playful and figured that after the cat blog, Angler01 had realised it too, but I guess we won't know unless we ask him, maybe someone could direct him to this talk page thread here, as I'm sure his input would shed more light on this.
I'll unblock you since no one realized you were being sarcastic and not trying to be malicious. Just remember; sarcasm in text form is incredibly difficult to detect, especially since you're still fairly new here and most of us don't know you too well.
Ok thank you, though just to put it in perspective, if my last comment on Angler01's cat blog was cautioning Yonydesk about trying to start the 'argument' up again, and then I later leave a comment on Angler01's talk page that says something which indeed might look as if I am trying to start that up again, then really it should be apparent enough, that the sequential hypocrisy is too obvious for me to have been serious.
Since he unblocked me at Best Shows & Episodes Wiki, DarkMatterMan4500 wants me to get unblocked at Terrible Shows & Episodes Wiki, like he really did last year.
Since @DarkMatterMan4500 is taking action, I would think he can best advise here.
I should ask @Blazikeye535 to get the ball rolling and in continuity from Meta however, what evidence there is for Eric Bagwell being connected to 'Red hair'?
This topic on TTVSW features two users who are suggesting that he’s a sockpuppet. I can’t be active right now, so I advise asking Marco Grouch and JigglypuffGuy04 about it.
Trust me, I'm not a sockpuppet of Red hair. I'm waiting for being unblocked at Terrible Shows & Episodes Wiki.
This is not a final decision and I will take the day to consider further. That said there are two issues here. One, you've behaved rather badly on both wikis regardless of the sockpuppet claims. Unilaterally deserving unblock is not the case, but when I give you a dedicated advisory on those edits I will consider giving you a second chance.
Two is of course the sockpuppet claim itself, which I will get third party advisory on based on the above thread as the primary evidence.
This block has been reviewed by DarkMatterMan, and follows discussion between us regarding the sockpuppet charge. The sockpuppet charge does not hold up and is dismissed.
The conduct is indeed less than advisable, and while we've chosen to unblock in full, we've also left a warning here. I will add that if there is a potential edit war (where you, @Eric Bagwell are entering an edit conflict with any other user, you should not undo them and post the same information. Instead you should raise the issue on the given talk page, state why you think the edit should be made and wait for an admin to review. This will avoid one of the key sticky conflicts complained about in the link above.
If this is not done and the same undesirable conduct happens again, report to a bureaucrat (DMM or myself) and we'll investigate the new edits and escalate if we must.