User talk:Blubabluba9990

He is now blocked, therefore I am locking this as there is no point in continuing this,

Does your family know about Qualitipedia? If you think it's so important to the world, why not tell your family about it?

Because it would take way to long to explain. I made a blog post further detailing it here: Blog:Something to confess. I have told people about my Wikipedia account since people know what that is.

this discussion just turned into a complaining center. Do we really spend our last moments like this? (edit: he is now blocked, rendering this discussion pointless)

Bluba, stop trying to do things about Qualitipedia's closure and just let it go. Maybe the RFC will be unsuccessful (though it's unlikely), maybe the wikis will start being independently hosted, maybe we'll start them from scratch, maybe they'll be gone forever, but regardless, whatever happens, happens, and we can move on. I don't want the wikis closed either, but at this point, it's likely to happen, so just wait for the current plans to be tried out, and we'll see what happens from there.

I'll be blunt, you're not going to get through to him. I'm starting to think he's a troll trying to piss everyone off.

I don't want these wikis to go though. I am not a troll, since I have been here for almost 2 years and have made many good edits. I just don't want to see these wikis gone.

Bluba, just let it go for now. Maybe the wikis won't end up closing. As far as I'm concerned, it's not a big deal. I don't want these wikis to go either, but the best you can do about it is just see how everything goes.

I hate to say this, FatBurn, but the RfC regarding the wikis' closures has more supports than opposes, so they're gonna end up closing. I know you don't want the wikis to go, but they're going bye-bye no matter what.

I'm aware of that, but it's possible that someone will try to independently host them, though it's unlikely. We can start from scratch though.

It would be easier to just get the dumps from Bukkit. Right now the fate of QP is in his hands since he has the dumps, and thus has the entirety of QP saved on his computer.

@Blubabluba9990, although he is not a troll ( =/= ), the edit history suggests otherwise or at least indistinguishable from actual trolls as it is disruptive on most cases

And yet, admins like @Bukkit doesn't warn the aforementioned user or even indef it

I have not displayed any incompetence so CIR is irrelevant here.

But it doesn't excuse your disruptive edits have done in the past and wasted everyone's time on pointless RfCs and complaints about closing QP

Pinging @DarkMatterMan4500 to make sure no misunderstanding about it and post official warnings (preferably a final warning) about you (as disruptive editing concerned), before any admin block Bluba for good

Making RFCs with which people disagree is not disruptive. Repeatedly making them can be, but Bluba has only made one RFC recently.

Thanks for correcting me, but keep in eye on his contributions for anything disruptive

Not sure about a troll, a troll would be someone who just does what they do, but Bluba actually contributes, so...

Well he is pissing a lot of people off, myself included.

He's just dense, and the only way he'll get it is forced time touching grass - at the very least distance from this slop.

And that could have been accomplished if he had stayed banned.

Again, why not warn first?

He's been warned enough one way or another.

He's been warned time and time again.

Well, hopefully this thread will do something.

Also there have been no official warnings, but I suppose there have been a lot of complaints to which they should have listened.

A lot of complaints and multiple blocks of various terms which satisfy the short term escalation requirements. They demonstrate an utter inability to change, only to whine until unblock and then carry on doing the same things that elicited frustration in the first place.

Sadly this made me lose a lot of respect for some of the administrators as I have no choice but to say this. A lot of toxicity can be blamed on them for unblocking toxic users like Bluba. This is likely we have a user base that's 90% toxic and why we've developed such a bad reputation.

To the admins, I'm sorry but this needed to be said.

There is no operable administration anymore. The people who hold the title have resigned in wanting to really do things day to day. So this is pretty much anarchy now.

Bukkit and Zangler still have their bureaucrat powers, and DarkMatterMan4500 has admin powers, so there is still an administration.

As I've said before though, many of Bluba's previous blocks were unfair and exaggerated.

Not all, and indeed some form of light block was warranted and ultimately completed. So it doesn't matter if they weren't 100%. They are sufficient as background.

I don't know if a block is going to help because of the Schrodinger's closure and Schrodinger's reboot (I say this because they are simutaneously happening and not happening) but I have no ideas left. I have no stakes in this and I'm just here for QP's final(?) ride, though.

The first one is confirmed to happen on the 27th. And a reboot does not seem likely given that Bukkit, who has the dumps and thus has Qualitipedia saved on his device, does not want to make a reboot.

A steward said it wasn't confirmed and reboots starting from scratch might still happen. For now I still feel it's unclear.

Alright, I'm now fed up with Bluba's disruptive behavior as most of them does. Enough is enough, I don't get Bluba's obsession with reception wikis but what I do know is Bluba have constructive criticism about the moderation extension inadvertently discouraging newcomers, so I encourage you to move on to my RfC about fanon games if it's real

Welp, Bluba has been blocked for good, so we won't have to deal with his disruptive behavior anymore. Therefore, this renders this discussion pointless.

Hey. I know you want the wiki's to stay, but everything has to come to an end someday. I mea, a year ago I was obsessed with the wiki's. Nowadays, I am much more happier playing games. Besides, not everyone wants their pages archived. Besides, if the proposal failed, it just delays the inevitable. Please consider this and touch some grass.

If the proposal fails, then the wikis will stay. I will never let go of the wikis. Qualitipedia is not something that needs to end. It can remain for 1000 years. And this is literally discussed in further detail below.

Bluba, please understand what I'm about to say.

I get that you don't want to let go of these wikis, but you need to accept the fact that QP will be going bye-bye in three days, and there's nothing you can do about it. And another thing, the proposal has more supports than opposes, so the Reception Wikis won't be around anymore after then proposal closes.

"It can remain for 1000 years" that means it's a 1000 years of it's lifespan gone. Besides, even if the RfC fails, Miraheze wouldn't hesitate to get rid of it seeing it has one of the worst reputation's in internet (not as bad as YT's or FaceBook but still)

i don't buy the "one of the worst reputations in internet" point. it's only QP that talks about that, almost nobody else on the wider internet does

it is a metaphor for QP, not Miraheze as a whole

it's not a metaphor because people mean that point literally and seriously.

I didn't mean exactly 1000 years, just that it will remain forever. 1000 years is hyperbole.

bluba have you ever considered a plan B in case all of your attempts at reviving QP fail? like, a plan B totally unrelated to QP

The other reception wikis. Perhaps I can try to gain traction there and help reunite the 28 remaining Reception Wikis into a network of wikis.

and unrelated to any other reception wiki?

If all 28 of the other reception wikis fail, then I will go to other sites. Wikipedia, YouTube, Reddit, Twitter, etc.

ok. And how will that work? We don't even know if the other reception wiki's hate each other

Hopefully they don't. I don't know if they even have official relations with each other.

exactly. We can't just unite them if they don't know each other

A couple of problems with this:

1. This is not an official warning, as the user who made it is not an admin.
2. This contains multiple personal attacks.
3. They are not necessarily abusing RFCs, and even if they do have some questionable RFCs, that is no longer a problem for now as they have not made an RFC in a while.

I don't think we need to keep discussing this. Also, there is no need to update this either.

This is your only warning; if you jeopardize Qualitipedia and/or Miraheze again, as you did posting junk blog posts and comments, whining at Qualitipedia where these problems are clearly irreversible as demonstrated on this closing QP RfC and abusing RfCs, you may be blocked from editing without further notice. Clearly, you're incompetent, or in other words, your IQ level is equal to MOAB Glue's as you have blocked on multiple wikis per Special:CentralAuth/Blubabluba9990 with WP:CIR cited as reasons.

As much as I agree that Bluba should stop making this a black-and-white situation, you aren't one to make such a warning because a) you created your account on the 16th (just yesterday in my time zone), and b) you hold no rights that would allow you to make such an action.

Also, not a bright idea to make personal attacks in such a warning ("your IQ level is equal to MOAB Glue's"), as not only would this be unbecoming of you if you were a sysop, but that is behavior that would warrant you receiving a warning.

How did I "jeopardize" Qualitipedia or Miraheze for that matter. And these problems are not irreversible, I have an idea that TigerBlazer gave me which if Qualitipedia doesn't end up closing could save us all. And CIR was not a valid reason since I have done nothing "incompetent".

@Blubabluba9990 Actually, you're done disruptive editing (although it is not intentional nor vandalism at least) in the past on multiple QP wikis, judging by block logs on these wikis and this includes but not limited to creating frivolous RfCs like allowing anons to edit pages on QP-affiliated wikis, which jeopardizes QP wikis or even Miraheze itself if passed.

@Marxo Grouch I think Miraheze can be saved once QP was closed for good, but I will certainly miss the fake blog collabs, which going to be replaced by fanon wikis next day after the closure.

You continued to post unhelpful comments and RfC despite this warning and based on edit history, you have unhealthy obsession with Qualitipedia (which is now a toxic wasteland) and that's why your comments are constantly downvoted on regular basis.

Stop lying about your obsession and touch some grass.

There's already a topic about this, so I'll move it there.

Since Bukkit's idea of hosting the wikis independently appears to have been cancelled, if we can't get these wikis to stay in any way, I think the best option is moving to the New Reception Wiki. We could have a (mostly) fresh start, which might be for the best. I know that we won't have the same history, but let's face it: starting over is better than nothing.

No need to comment anymore, plus this is potentially gravedigging.

Note: This is copied and pasted from a blog post that I can't even create due to moderation.
The proposal to add the moderation extension to the wikis passed, but it seems to be causing trouble, and here is why I hate it and think it should be removed from the wikis, regardless of the proposal's outcome:

1. All edits must be checked by admins now. This is creating more work for admins who have to run around and mark edits. Running a wiki is hard enough, let alone having to sort through the hundreds of edits that are made by users, which will clog up moderation.
2. It is a pain for users too. Users now have to wait for their revision to be approved before making an edit, even if it is just correcting a small typo.
3. Due to the time it will take for edits to be approved, it will slow down progress on the wikis, since edits will take longer to process.
4. To add on to pointer one, the admins will not be active 24/7. Behind the account, the admins are human beings who have friends and family, and they need to sleep and eat.
5. Revision conflicts may occur. For example, two users may make the exact same edit on the wiki, since you can't see what edits there are. So there may be two revisions of the same content. Furthermore, there may be more than one edit made at the same time, which can make things even more confusing.
6. The unlocking system is flawed. Every non-admin user is currently in a locked state now, even longtime editors. This means that in addition to having to sort through hundreds of different revisions, admins will also have to answer a bunch of different unlock requests. Besides, you also need 15 edits to be unlocked. That means that new users will have to constantly wait for their edits to be improved.
7. It can discourage new editors. It can get annoying for users to sign in and make an edit only to have to wait for their edit to be approved. It creates an unnecessary hassle on new users.
8. Complete moderation is unnecessary. It would be fine if certain pages were placed under temporary moderation due to excessive vandalism, but now every single page is placed under moderation.
9. It takes control away from the users. Since all edits now have to be approved by admins, it is now ultimately up to them whether or not an edit is legitimate. This means that even if you think your edit is legitimate, an admin can decide it isn't legitimate, and users no longer have control over their own edits. It feels like something out of 1984, since now there is constant surveillance of edits.
10. It blatantly promotes the assumption of bad faith. Not every new user is automatically a vandal, yet this system is targeted towards all new users, not just vandals. A key principle of wikis is to assume good faith, yet this implies the falsehood that all new users are vandals.

So in short, this system places an unnecessary hassle on all users and will ultimately slow progress on the wikis. Katsumi, the creator of the proposal, even called the system "draconian".
Update: Now even user blogs have to be approved by moderators. In addition, it says I am editing my own version of this page! See the problem here!

You have a good point, despite your disruptive behavior in general. Although the draconian moderation extension reduced the amount of vandalism, POV pushing, and other forms of disruptive editing, it puts an unnecessary restriction on new users including myself and disabling it is a lose-lose situation

You don't need to contribute to this discussion anymore, as it is an old discussion and the moderation extension has even been removed from this wiki (not from other wikis, but given that Qualitipedia might be closing soon, it's not really relevant for now).

Shut up. GyrineZ (talk) 01:58, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
No need to continue this for any longer. Note to GyrineZ though, your summary is not very civil. FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 08:01, 18 September 2022 (UTC)
Also Szczypak2005, don't remove anything. FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 08:29, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

I will explain everything that I have said here:

1. Qualitipedia is not a literal home, but is a place where many users spend most of their online time, or at least a significant portion of it. There is no other term to describe users who are forced to leave the wikis other than "refugees". If you have a word for it please tell me.
2. If you don't think "Oh My Grust" will catch on, I won't say it anymore. I just thought it would be a variant of "Oh My God" to be used on the wikis. I will start saying "Anananai gods". DarkMatterMan4500 came up with that one.
3. The awards ceremony was never intended to be what people are making it out to be. All I did was give out awards to the best Qualitipedia users, and Anananai gods forbid I reward Qualitipedia users for their hard work.
4. AntiQuals aren't necessarily traitors, but they can be seen as such, especially if they used to support Qualitipedia but then decided to turn their back on it.

So there you go. I am not obsessed, this is all just one big misunderstanding.

Please stop calling me a traitor. I am not one because I know what we are doing. I have more experience as a former admin. Quadpedia or Qualitipedia as it is called has an awful, imperialist, far-right community (no offence to the Admins, as they are not the issue), that I am pissed. By June 2022, I got recommendations to resign from Admin position.

Bluba, as a friend, please don't call me a traitor, or an AntiQual. I support a massive reform, but it REQUIRES temporary shutdown, aka the Final Solution.

And I will stay till shutdown to talk to these people and share my experiences, cuz I can. I will only make minor edits from now on, aka my "Majority Leave"

Please read my advice on the topic summary on the "My issues with Qualitipedia" topic. It is best you stop arguing about this completely. Whether or not you are obsessed with Qualitipedia is an argument that does not need to continue - if you want to prove you are not, do the things I suggested on the topic summary, such as ending this argument and (mostly) staying quiet (I don't mean you should silence completely or even stop saying things completely, just only comment on things when truly necessary, and don't keep arguing with people).

I will stop arguing, as long as nobody else brings it up.

None of the AntiQuals are traitors. They are allowed to make their own decisions.

This discussion went way off topic and there is no need to continue it. I am also unblocked on this wiki though I have yet to be unblocked on the other eight wikis.

1. First off, I am not obsessed. I think I worded the original blog badly. What I meant in the blog post was that I simply do not intend to leave Qualitipedia. My decision to not get married and have children is not related to Qualitipedia, and neither is my decision to be an online influencer. And I probably won't be putting Qualitipedia on my resume because it is not a very big community. I thought people would interpret it as a good thing, since me not leaving means some hope for Qualitipedia in its last moments.
2. Second of all, where does CIR come in? I have not displayed any incompetence and have made many good edits.
3. Third, it doesn't look like Qualitipedia is even going to last much longer since unfortunately the proposal to close Qualitipedia seems to be succeeding. Even though Raidarr said that he wouldn't close it unless it has a 70% success ratio, he has no power in the bureaucracy anymore.

So to summarize, I have been blocked due to a basic misunderstanding on a wiki network that won't even be around for much longer. Also, someone said that Miraheze will survive if Qualitipedia shuts down, which is a relief since I was worried about Miraheze taking a blow due to Qualitipedia shutting down.

The fact that you keep calling QP users refugees shows that you are indeed obsessed.

Because they are refugees, or will be if Qualitipedia closes.

They're really not refugees. You're literally comparing the closure of these wikis to a fatal crisis.

It is a crisis since thousands of users will be without a wiki home.

As long as they have an actual home IRL, I'm sure they'll all be fine. Oh BTW, we're considering unblocking you again because of the backlash of the block and how poorly handled it was.

Ok.

Regardless of whether or not Bluba is obsessed the block was still unfair.

For the record, I did talk to Blazikeye about this and questioned the block, especially considering I strongly disagree with the idea of creating a Discord poll to decide a user's block. However, I haven't been able to convince them or Bukkit yet.

Y'know, this whole idea of having Discord discussions of punishing users without said users knowing about that has really gotten out of hand, and I think it should just stop.

To be honest, I personally found the idea of using polls to block users questionable, despite being in the Discord server myself.

Relax bluba, you will definitely be unlocked on the new wikis.

And I do not think it was fair to cross out my vote either. Just because I am banned does not mean my vote suddenly does not count.

I also just heard that Qualitipedia will be closed tomorrow. I hope Bukkit really is making new, independent wikis. R.I.P. Mirahezean Qualitipedia (2018-2022).

Oh, and how is wanting to give an award to the best Qualitipedia users obsession? That makes absolutely zero sense.

That alone doesn’t make you obsessed, but the fact that you were also giving badges of shame to the “ worst “ ( I’m generally fine with Duchess ) leans you towards the side of obsession. I can handle your thoughts on DuchessTheSponge.

Also, your not part of the staff, so that blog made you seem to have an obsession.

( *you’re )

You can edit your comments

Thanks for telling me. But I’ll keep my comments the way they are right now to make my life easier.

Giving unnecessary medals to users on a wiki you’re not even a staff of definitely sounds like an obsession.

They are not unnecessary. They are to show the best contributions to our wikis.

Do you need to do that though?

Bluba, no offence, but I think a bureaucrat should make an RFC to community ban you ( that’s more fair than a discord poll, as not all users on these wikis use Discord ). You’re making life harder for the entire community with your ridiculous obsession with these sites ( including how you think you need to make all QP users refugees once it shuts down, and also think it’s an extreme online crisis if it shuts down ) and you’re constantly whining about the bureaucrats’ decisions currently ( even when they’re kind to you ).

I second this.

I don't think it's fair to do so, I think it's best they receive a warning, or, if that's not good enough, a temporary block.

They’ve already gotten enough warnings.

Show me where exactly they have received warnings.

His block log. Some of the blocks seem to be justifiable.

Majority of those blocks were made without warnings, and were also overly harsh. I'm not saying Bluba's previous actions are completely irrelevant, but I think that Bluba deserves a fresh start. Not starting from now by any means, but starting from when they were unblocked from the wikis exactly a year ago, if not when Raidarr changed the block settings for them on all wikis.

( not all of them though. )

We might as well do the same thing for Szczypak2005 since he’s also acting like a toxic and obsessive QP fanatic.

Wait what ?! I didn't do anything like that! I've done a lot of good edits and made some good pages!

Please don't. I like Qualitipedia and want to stay. And for the hundredth time, I am not obsessed! Neither me nor Szczypak2005 has done anything wrong recently. You are basically getting mad at us for liking Qualitipedia, which doesn't really make sense.

If you aren't obsessed, then start acting like it. Demonstrate you aren't obsessed. Because I'm sorry to tell you this, but you have a backlog of instances where you have acted obsessed.

Then tell me why you gave out “ badges “ please.

They were awards for exceptional service to Qualitipedia.

( Bluba, I don’t think your answer will be good, to be honest. )

"I'm not obssesed" JigglyPuff once told me that every time you see a HEXAGON you start thinking of Qualitipedia. Geometry must be hell. Also apparently you gave out fucking badges over a wiki closing? If you're not obssesed, then act like you er, I don't know, aren't?

TBH I don't get how that's an obsession.

Not a hexagon, but hexagonal patterns (specifically an arrangement of seven hexagons around each other to resemble the Miraheze logo).

To be honest with you, you both have done more than that. I don't believe that Bluba has done anything terribly wrong, but I do see how Bluba's comments can be seen as disruptive. However, again, it can be dealt with better. In the case of Szczypak2005, they have done some things, perhaps even more than Bluba, as they even infamously bashed a user for changing their mind on these wikis. However, still, they again would simply deserve a warning, or if you don't think that's good enough, a temporary block.

I am not obsessed, the blog was taken hideously out of context. All I meant was that I am not going to retire from Qualitipedia. I will not be answering any further inquiries regarding the blog post, and I do not want anyone to mention it again. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 02:23, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Leave him alone, he just prefers to stay here, and it doesn't necessarily have to be an obsession. Szczypak2005 (talk) 12:37, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Well he's blocked now, also if you're going to create a topic summary, resolve it first. FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 10:36, 11 September 2022 (UTC)

I saw your (deleted) blog post, and it seems like you are addicted to Miraheze and/or Qualitipedia. I am giving this notice since your obsession with the wiki is extremely unhealthy. I advise you to take a (temporary) wikibreak. In short, touch grass, explore nature, get off the computer. Thank you for your understanding.

Dude, we're genuinely worried for you now. It wasn't taken out of context, you made it sound like you were overly obsessed. You said something like "when I see a hexagon, I think of Miraheze." That sounds like an obsession to me.

I mean, every time I see a hexagon I also think of Miraheze.

same tbh :p

Just think, what part of your blog or anything you said in the Reception Wikis' defense sounds normal to you?

I'm known for my psychopath gimmick, but honestly, you're kind of scaring me with how obsessed you are with QP.

Nobody took your blog out of context. The reaction it got is how I would expect sensible people to react. It is either your fault for wording it the way you did, or you actually do have an addiction.

You are not always right about everything. Declaring you're right and everyone else is wrong doesn't change this.

If you do not wish for people to mention it, that's alright. I'll respect that, and I request other users to do the same. I only made this post because I am concerned about you.

Issue resolved. TigerBlazer has explained his reasons, and I will take this advice as I always intended to before this spiraled into an argument. There isn't much need to continue this discussion, so I am closing this.

Raidarr's closure and note: Re-closing as a bureaucrat primarily on author request with previous closure (thread is not a staff warning, which would override user close agency) as well as the fact that it is indeed beginning to loop and there is little more to reasonably say and discuss that the involved parties haven't had more than enough opportunity to recognize.

I do suggest Bluba take some of the advisement to heart. Time, as well as the next project stated as planned, will tell if that's the case.

So anyway, I see that your RfC has been closed, and I would like to give you some advice.

1. I notice that you have again written in ALL CAPS in the RfC to represent your anger. I would strongly recommend not doing this. When you feel like someone is missing the point and they think you are just repeating yourself, either ignore them or try to explain it more clearly (if possible and worth a shot).
2. Try to limit the amount of RfCs you make, and think carefully before you make them. You should at least limit it to once every 2 weeks if not a month (note that this is only if you need to, if you are able to go 2 weeks or a month without needing to create a RfC then don't create one).

I only spoke in all caps that one time. I also made a blog post addressing what I had said in the RfC, as I now feel like it is a simple sentiment change rather than a policy change. And I usually create RfCs when the ideas first pop into my head.

You also spoke in all caps on the Requests for Comment page for permanently banning unconfirmed users from making pages, although that was 5 months ago.

That is only twice though.

Just once passing through your better sense (proofreading) is not a good look and an advisement to keep in mind. It pertains to a larger issue, temper, and the fact that it will change absolutely nothing except make the other parties in the conversation think less of you while not convincing them otherwise. Persuasion is the only way to proceed. The all caps only 'capped off' a larger problem.

I think Fatburn's suggestions are on the right path. An RfC should be thought out, considered. If what you've posted has always been the first thing in your head and it reliably tends to go poorly, that's a trend you should notice and change. Ie, think farther before posting, and perhaps get advisement before doing it so the idea has a better chance.

You need to decide if you just want to continue the unsuccessful streams of thought, or if you want to make a change, and you'll only achieve the latter by ceasing or greatly limiting the former.

I can't predict how users are going to react to my RfCs. In addition, it gets frustrating to have to keep repeating the same points over and over again and having nobody seem to listen. It's hard to stay calm when all of my ideas get shot down and almost nobody seems to take my side.

If you do something a certain way and it obviously results in a negative reaction, I don't believe a great deal of insight is demanded to know that way is problematic. If you're repeating the same points the same way and people aren't taking your side, then consider that either you, outright, are wrong, or that your expression of the points is badly inadequate. You can't dismiss responsibility for bettering your approach and then wonder why people aren't supporting you in it.

Also, another thing, about "predicting how users are going to react", it might be true that you can't do that, but try and think about it anyway. It isn't that you need to "predict" how they react, you just need to think about it.

Two things:

1. This is why you need to think your ideas through and ideally seek out feedback before putting them into action. Only then can you refine your suggestions into something palatable for the community.
2. Repeating the same points when they've already been rebuked (especially if it was refuted with reasoning pertaining to your statement) isn't going to help at all.

Ok. Though asking if the RfC would be appropriate would defeat the purpose of making the RfC.

No. Making an RfC is a grand attempt to get the wider community on board. In practice - and this is on Meta, perhaps even Wikipedia as well - only ideas that have been thought through, ideally with multiple experienced volunteers involved tend to stand a good chance.

Again, look how far your RfCs have proceeded and tell me again that getting a second opinion to make them more usable would defeat the purpose.

I do support making consensus a requirement for deletion, however, trying to force or repeat weak arguments such as stop moving seemingly unfinished pages to sandbox, or stating invalid pointers such as how talk pages can't be archived (which isn't true) isn't going to help.

You could start with a blog post, and see what other people's opinion or suggestion is.

I would say it makes more sense to have a separate page to carry out discussions rather than just doing it on the talk page.

i hope you can see the problem now with the way you handle discussions. many people will present counterarguments to you, but you evade them by repeating your already debunked arguments (bonus if a "still," or similar phonetic is added) or by raising a new issue (bonus if you "suddendly remembered it" and/or if it's off-topic). you complain you feel like you're not being heard but looking at your responses in retrospective, it's YOU the one who's not hearing and going in circles. additionally, this is not the first time someone has advised you to get second opinions before making an RfC; earliest instance was 2 months ago, in the talk page thread that's literally below this one.

not to sound rude or anything, but i hope you can analyze this specific interaction you just had. it's the most perfect and concise example.

Not to be rude, but as I mentioned, repeating arguments for additions isn't going to go anywhere. In the comments in the RFC, someone mentioned that there's no need for a separate page if it can be done on the talk page, which I kind of agree. I still don't really buy the benefit aside from you saying talk pages can't be archived, which isn't even true.

Also going back to the RFC about deleting pages about deaths, adding in some nitpicky things (such as that pages about people are banned) because of lack of support of the RFC is not really going to help.

What did that have to do with the posts above?

please don't rage and be rude all the time.

I don't rage or be rude a lot. I just get extremely frustrated.

Maybe try calming down before you write? That might give you time to clear your mind so that you can construct a better argument than just repeating things (and without yelling).

It just seems like these things are worth repeating because they are getting ignored.

christ for the 999999999999999999999999999999999th time, they aren't getting ignored.

I'm gonna close this since this seems to be getting repetitive.

We aren't done yet. It seems that you are throwing away the advice we are trying to give you.

I am not "throwing it away". Do you have a reason why it is more practical to hold a discussion on the page's talk page rather than on a separate page. Because nothing new is currently being added to this conversation and I am getting tired of arguing about this. At Long Last Leave is an episode that is hated by many fans of The Simpsons and yet it was deleted for being "biased".

I just gave you multiple reasons on the RFC, it's a lot quicker to say why on the talk page (which is never deleted when the page is) since it takes up less space on the wiki, is easier to discuss on since you can easily reply like you can with comments, and has easier access since the talk tab is right there next to the page on.

And nothing new is being added simply because you're once again repeating your same points over and over when we tell you that we are listening, it's just that most of the time your RFCs are frankly not a good idea in the first place. Yet you fail to see that we are telling you this and just keep going on.

And the page was deleted for its IMDb score, 7/10, which disqualifies it from the wiki.

Ok good. Also it has a 6.9/10, not a 7/10. I will make another RfC about this in the near future, and I will take your advice.

There is no need to keep this discussion open. It spiraled into an unnecessary argument and until now, nothing new was being added to the conversation.

> until now, nothing new was being added to the conversation

tigerblazer LITERALLY repeated you what ALMOST EVERYONE here was telling you, starting with raidarr who gave you the most clear version of it. you just discredited all of our attempts at trying to reasonate with you, and shrugged it off as an "unnecessary argument". just pointing that out. maybe this could start an actual "unnecessary argument" so if anyone is gonna answer to this then maybe limit it to a single answer so it doesn't escalate.