- First off, it is ridiculous to create a poll on Discord to decide Bluba's block. There should have been an RFC. Also, not to mention, the Discord server isn't even the Qualitipedia server anymore.
- You could have just given them a temporary block or even a warning. I am aware they have received warnings before but not in a long time (aside from Bukkit's warning, which was only one, and was barely a warning).
- You forgot to block them on the literature wikis.
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- The poll was created before the rebranding. Also, the last time we had an RfC that ended horribly (I personally objected to the idea because Zangler keeps saying it was a one-time thing :p)
- I wouldn't even consider my talk page sanity check notice a warning; it was just there suggesting something.
- Nobody cares about the literature wikis tbh. I guess I will put the block there, but it's just a wiki that has barely any traffic
- How did it end horribly? Also, you still could have done something better than Discord.
- Then that further proves my point.
- Still, it's important.
You took the words right out of my mouth, Bukkit.
Sorry to potentially beat a dead horse (though to be fair people are still complaining about this, and mentioning past discussions is not necessarily beating a dead horse), but what exactly do Inkster and other users not like about the Pokemon Sword and Shield page on CGW?
A lot of them only want the page deleted because they either personally liked the game or though it was well-received, despite a good majority of the fanbase, as well as many independent reviewers on YT, regarding the games as average and the weakest in the main series. Let's just hope that talking about this doesn't revive that drama-ridden debate.
Okay, but what about the reception from critics?
It was fairly well received, though not as well as past games. It holds an 80/100 on Metacritic.
Okay, and why does a combination of the critics' and audiences' reviews result in an overall negative or mixed-to-negative reception/why are the audience reviews more important?
These wikis always had an issue with prioritizing audience reception over critical reception. The page about Pokémon Sword and Shield isn't the only example, as we have other pages about media with similar reception (positive from critics, but mixed or negative from audiences) on the negative wikis. Some examples include Paper Mario: Sticker Star, Mass Effect: Andromeda, 2016 Ghostbusters, Captain Marvel, Battlefield V, Far Cry 6, Lightyear, or Birds of Prey. The list goes on and on.
Well that should change.
In my opinion, it would be best to create a smaller wiki inside CGW that would be dedicated to games like the ones you mentioned.
I can imagine such a wiki getting neglected quickly.
Why do you think it would be neglected? More than one game would go there and there are many candidates. I could take care that but you took away my right to be a staff member unnecessarily. Also, don't forget about the hundreds of users who still have interest.
Please delete this blog: Blog:I will never leave Qualitipedia, since all I meant from the blog is that I am not going to retire from Qualitipedia, and people are taking it the wrong way. I thought people would interpret it as a good thing, that I am going to stay on Qualitipedia forever and they will never have to worry about me leaving, yet they seem to think I am obsessed when that is not true, I am not obsessed with Qualitipedia. All I said was that Qualitipedia is very important to me and that I will never leave.
"I'm not obsessed with Qualitipedia" *two sentences later* "Qualitipedia will be on my resume."
Like or hate the wikis, you have to admit that's beyond laughable. Even back when I was part of the Reception Wikis, I treated more like a place for fun rather than business (which has became lost). I'm not weebish enough to say "I want anime girls on my resume because they're hawt".
Qualitipedia counts as work experience since it is volunteering. Even so, I probably won't put it on my resume (assuming I even end up making one) since the wikis are small, but if I do have a resume I will put Wikipedia editing on it since that also counts as volunteer experience.
Why the fuck do we even need those wikis if IMDb, Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritc, etc exists? They clearly ruined the purpose of an opinion
then wouldn't IMDb, rotten tomatoes and metacritic ruin the "purpose of an opinion" (whatever that is) too? what made qualitipedia so different from these review sites? why can't qualitipedia be used as a stepstone to form your own opinions too, just like any other form of review (site, YT videos, etc)?
I love the wikis though. I am tired of people slandering the wikis.
You won't love (or at least rely on) them now that they're no longer spoiling you. They indiscriminately weed out people regardless of their loyalty (as many people like myself fell victim to). If they survive, you'll be running a corpse.
isn't that an inevitable byproduct of reviews though? there's always the dumb ones who use reviews (site or video) as absolute facts and not to form their own opinions (or let's be realists and use the ACTUAL purpose of a review: to evaluate if a product should be consumed/bought or not), qualitipedia will inevitably have these due to its review nature. the most it can be made is making it clear that QP is subjective, a step i don't think that was ever taken.
You would never even join the wikis if you didn't get globally blocked on Fandom besides since we got annoyed with you using the stewards to unblock you, these wikis closing down is enough since they are dead infact, they make ScumBob Wiki look like a masterpiece
Also Blubabluba, me and Portrock archived your blog incase you know https://web.archive.org/web/20220902230523/https://qualitipedia.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Blog:I_will_never_leave_Qualitipedia&oldid=35511
Since you said that you would retire regardless of the RfC's outcome, will you appoint Bukkit or Zangler to leader of the wikis. I am asking so that there is no power struggle and civil war after you leave. I would say that Bukkit is the most qualified to be the leader, but I will leave that up to you.
Both of them stated that they plan to resign towards the end of the year if the wikis remain open, so I don't know at this point.
Well then one of them has to stay if the wikis remain open, so that the wikis don't collapse. If you, Bukkit, and Zangler all resign then we just need to find a new user, any user, willing to step up to the plate and become the new bureaucrat.
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Wait, what? You mean they think the wikis will be closed by then?
Yes.
What will happen to these wikis if they get shut down again?
Probably remain shut down if that happens.
I don't know of anyone in this community capable or willing to host it themselves and alternative hosting as well as simply taking leadership is wearing very thin.
But there's no way they'll close with their popularity. And plus, FTR, I would be willing to do so, though I doubt anyone would want me in that position.
Yeah, I don't really see these wikis lasting that long, especially with all the bullshit that occurred within them, in fact, I've been losing interest which is hence the reason I'm rarely active here on Miraheze nowadays, in fact, I'm much more active on the Discord server compared to here.
Well, if I have to, I will try and save them.
I don’t think we’ll be done here for at least 2 more years.
Things getting worse despite our efforts to save the wikis is a sign that the end is near. Even TigerBlazer, who tried to rally everyone to improve the wikis, has grown cynical. Thus I have little hope of these wikis genuinely being saved, regardless of what anyone does to try and save them.
I don't think we should give up. Plus, every wiki is flawed, and overall, I don't see what the problem with these wikis are besides politically biased pages, toxic users, and some bad pages, but we can improve, and I will never lose hope.
I think you just ignored a teensy-weensy little detail about a certain req- ah forget it, Qualitipedia is damned.
What were you going to say?
I think we all know.
The company page RFC?
Yup.
What does that have to do with this?
He put all his eggs in one basket and thinks the failure of the company pages RFC is the death knell for QP.
If more people would get off their butts and put a bit more action into their statements of hope the odds might improve. You Fatburn, have the opportunity to at the very least request modship and demonstrate managerial competence for some time that will allow people to trust you based on your administrative skills in spite of historic conflict. Bluba had the same chance but decided to blow it by reaching too far too fast with nothing to offer.
If someone doesn't get on the track, stay on the track and get there soon, there will not be enough managerial interest to maintain these wikis or maintain them reliably and they'll either die off activity wise as they go through endless cycles of drama going back to userbase or administrator incompetence, or become cesspits again with zero managerial interest requiring global intervention. If global intervention is merited it will be biased in favor of shutdown because reception wikis are some of the most publicly useless, reputationally difficult and overall high-maintenance wikis Miraheze has ever hosted (if not high maintenance, drains on the platform's limited resources even if they have nothing actively going on).
That is what we mean when we express concerns of this wiki lasting another year.
Let's just hope we can make it through next year.
Well, that's one of the main reasons people hate Qualtipedia. In addition, I remember this topic on CGW, which appeared shortly after the Allistayrian left, in which there was a promise that qualtipedia will be fixed, to be honest, the situation did not improve at all, on the contrary, this month we lost as many as FIVE users, which is already tragic considering that we lost so much in a year.
Those supposedly valuable people leaving this place might mean that this place going down is the best option. I can't ensure you are truly aware of these wikis' situation, but saying something like it "did not improve at all, on the contrary" makes me think you aren't.
@ Zangler Can't you see that fewer and fewer people trust Qualtipedia? You think I don't know anything? Your line of thought will make even fewer people trust us, and I have the impression that you do not see any threat, you do not see that Qualtipedia is falling and it is falling faster and faster, as much as it has been decreasing so far within a year, now it is decreasing within a month and I'm sure it won't stop at five, so it's best to think about what you've written. After all, I have the feeling that your RfC is a completely pointless decision the effects of which will be dire.
This was the sort of opinion I needed to know I was right. I don't get the point you raised, all I see is another user treating the staff like the bad guys because they don't do what you want.
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@Szczypak2005: While that is true, when I see problematic users coming here, I would just immediately block them when necessary. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 12:53, 23 August 2022 (UTC)
@ DarkMatterMan4500 It's best to just listen to what others have to say and try to fix something based on their criticism, because the blocks will only worsen the current situation, I am anyway trying to reduce the amount of drama or vandalism with my decisions but we should work together or the qualtipedia will never be so great. If Grust himself saw what was actually going on here, he would certainly have said that people had already been knocked out to the rest. Do you want qualtipedia to collapse? Probably not, so we have to do something about it.
@FatBurn0000 I will help you make a RfC to get moderator rights.
And I will gladly support FatBurn's proposal, since we seem to share similar interests.
Can't believe the wikis have reached this point.
Man I remember when the wikis were extremely active, and the Outcast network was still a thing.
No. We cannot let these wikis get shut down! Then who will tell people what media is good and what media is bad, and who will instruct those on what to do and what not to do in terms of media. These wikis cannot be closed.
You do realize opinions exist, and we already have reviewers such as certain YouTubers for example. Besides, Qualitipedia isn't the only source of critique you know.
Just because opinions exist doesn't mean these wikis are pointless. These wikis excessively document and explain reception.
Nobody argued pointless, but I'll go ahead and do it. I say pointless because there are already many so much better sources. The majority of pages are biased, shoehorned to fit a particular reception, and generally more suitable to personal or even collaborative blogs instead of a wikipedia-type environment where for the purpose Wikipedia tends to do better. They excessively go on and on but that does not make them accurate nor good judges of how the reception came about. Typically they're mere list of grievances, without a shred of serious analytical thought that actually explains reception, let alone in a neutral way.
I still think they have a point, because they are a fun way to do things. Also, about being "neutral," the problem is, being neutral makes it more repetitive and less fun.
Anything has a 'point' if you stretch far enough. The question is if the point is meaningful.
The problem about being the way it is, is that nobody can draw the line and reliability is in the dumpster.
This is a great project to be under the radar and have fun in a clique. If it wants to be anything more, it flops.
I never said they were pointless, anyways, yes, I know that, but still, they're not really 100% reliable.
That is a point, but my idea essentially is that they are a fun way to rant about or praise things. Everybody shares their opinions, and we add it up to make one big page.
Removed
Who will tell? The thousands of youtubers, blogs, review sites and other immediate gratification, generally more accurate and far more diverse sources of information available. Expand your world Bluba. There is a broad internet of critique that is endlessly better than these wikis have ever been.
I still love the idea though.
These wikis were already fucked to begin with, I've been losing my hope for them overtime, and any forms of "improvement" we do actually creates more damage, which is why I don't see them lasting that long, in which they may crumble like the Roman Empire afterwards.
I may have a few theories on why Qualitipedia is going downhill:
- Drastic changes - Change is often difficult to adapt to, especially when it's a major one. Doing my research by looking back into old changes, 2019 and 2020 were probably the peak years of Qualitipedia. However, I believe the closure of the Outcast network was the start of Qualitipedia's downfall. Yes, from what I'm hearing it did cause a shit ton of drama, and it would violate the Content policy nowadays, some people still might have liked these wikis. The good news is, it only caused a few users to leave. However, with other big changes like banning real people pages and closing the website wikis, this could be why now more than ever people are leaving.
- The community - The reason why people are leaving is people leaving. And the reason why those people are leaving is the toxicity. It's a vicious cycle. The more people leave, the worse Qualitipedia gets, and the worse Qualitipedia gets, the more people leave. Many users who were active during Qualitipedia's ancient times have either left or have been permanently banned from Miraheze, and even then for the latter, they might have left later on anyways. The rate of Qualitipedia users leaving will grow exponentially, and there might not be anything to do about it.
- Their personal lives interfering - When people joined in the early days, they were younger and had more free time. However, as they got older, they became more busy. Schoolwork interfered for teens, and work interefered for adults. Even if the reasons above weren't the case, people just don't have the time to edit Qualitipedia anymore, and even then, they probably either forgot about it or moved on from it. This might be the most important reason, as it's part of why I left. I'm in my Mid-20s. I have a home, a job, a girlfriend. I can't even focus on Uncyclopedia anymore. I need to be able to focus on providing for myself and my girlfriend, and even in my free time I chose to spend time with her and my family. Some of the people who left might have had similar situations.
There, however, may be one last hope: Nostalgia. Have you ever played a game, got bored and stopped playing it, forgot about it, and a few years later remember it and start playing it again. Or had a favorite TV show as a child, and rewatched it as an adult. Or had a favorite song, listened to it, got bored of it, then years later hear it for the first time. Nostalgia MIGHT bring back our users. On the other hand, due to reason #1, nostalgia might push away our users, as they might not like the changes.
But these are just my thoughts, not to be treated as fact, so please, take these words with a grain of sand. I don't expect for people to agree with me. Some will, some won't, and that's alright, as long as your responses are civil. That is all.
2019-2020 were peak years for drama that ran into 21 and 22. You contradict by placing peak years into the peak of drama that actually required global intervention to shut down wikis that would have difficulty finding a platform anywhere on the net. I think 2 is probably the more solid of points, 3 a natural factor. Nostalgically there is a lot of love-hate relationship, I generally see a bit more hate - or at minimum, people realizing they've been wasting their time and growing up. And really, that seems to be where a lot of ex-staff, including some of the more competent ones have gone.
The "peak" of Qualitipedia was September 2020-June 2021: From the closure of The Outcast Network until FreezingTNT got overthrown by MarioMario456 and DuchessTheSponge, who preceded to ruin the wikis. Then a renaissance began when you became bureaucrat and helped clean up everything, yet once you retired another dark age started.
You could be right. To be fair though, I wasn't around during those years. I'm just basing those off of secondary sources.
I will never leave though. Qualitipedia has become a part of me. It has gotten to the point where every time I see a hexagonal pattern I see the Miraheze logo. I love Qualitipedia and Wikipedia, and will edit both of them until I die. Since I plan to be an online influencer as a career, and since I am asexual and aromantic and thus will never have a girlfriend/get married or have kids, I will have a lot of time to edit Qualitipedia and Wikipedia. You can count on me never leaving.
I will go so far as to become a spokesperson for Qualitipedia if you want me to.
You can start by actually doing stuff. You've been a QP politician in most of your time: speaking of changes but not participating in them in a way that gets them done. Start with that and maybe you'll have a chance as spokesperson. Don't just be an influencer, be a doer.
I have made a lot of edits over the months, I have just been a "politician" in recent months due to current events.
And I can't do much since I am not a bureaucrat, so I am basically trying to convince the bureaucrats to take action.
Making edits is not the same as trying to help in the structure of the wikis. You've also been told multiple times how to volunteer. It's not a binary between doing nothing and being bureaucrat. There are multiple steps you can take in the meantime to prove yourself for the latter. You just need to bother to do them and not try to skip.
The problem is, since I am not a bureaucrat, I don't have a lot of influence among the bureaucrats.
You don't have a lot of influence because you never listen or take steps needed to actually get that influence.
When I joined I was literally nobody, on poor terms with the Qualitipedia leader and through the whole time I've been here I've been a critic of the wikis and have never been a page maker or serious editor aside from cleanup work. How do you think I gained influence and became bureaucrat in a tiny fraction of the time you have been involved in the wikis? Never mind the fact I was influencing policy and tend to have an impact before I became one and continue to do so after my retirement. Don't point at my stewardship - that came after I became bureaucrat and I equally came out of nowhere for the Miraheze platform itself.
If you can figure that one out, then you might have a chance of getting somewhere. Until then the reason you are not a bureaucrat, will not be a bureaucrat and have no influence with the bureaucrats comes down completely to your approach and attitude.
I will never leave either.
Well this conversation died. I'll check the Discord server.
It was night in NA when you posted, I'm not sure why you think it 'died'.
I'm probably finished with Qualitipedia by 2023.
I do post here occasionally, but honestly there's literally no hope. Everything in QP has gone down the shitter and everything is getting worse. It would be really disappointing to have a site I semi-frequent shut down (even if it has a cool concept), but judging by the atrocious userbase and endless, pointless drama, then maybe shutting it down for good may be the best decision.
Fuck dude, I don't know what to think of all this...
Ok, I know I’m not a bureaucrat or whatever, but after reading the responses I just need to say this now:
If there’s truly no way to improve the site and (nearly) everyone’s whining about how there’s nothing we could possibly do to make it better… what the hell is the point?! Since all hope is truly lost, let’s just shut it down and move on. I might get contested for this part, but all I see when I come on these sites nowadays is a bunch of infighting and immaturity from both sides, users and staff, with no effort to understand the other side and no progress being made for, well, anything. Yes, SOME parts of user base have shown toxicity, but it’s not like SOME OF the people in charge haven’t done the same. To say otherwise is ridiculously wrong. Honestly, if all guilty parties don’t get their act together and put in the effort to reach a compromise, then obviously these wikis aren’t going to last another year. Geez…
Well, then per the last two comments, there is an ongoing effort to do just that and get it over with. Can't promise a timeline except it will probably be posted soon.
I hope these wikis will remain active, to be honest.
Also, hundreds of edits on these wikis from tons of users over the past 3-4 years will be gone, which could be upsetting to some of the contributors, as their effort would be thrown into an incinerator .
Several people used that excuse in the website wikis closure RfC, and look where we are now.
Closure doesn't mean the wikis cannot be archived and saved in full, read on Miraheze itself for a long time, and possibly even resurrected on another platform if someone cared enough to do it.
A lot of previous strong contributors would likely appreciate the incinerator, but point taken for those who wouldn't agree.
They can't be resurrected on another platform since Fandom banned the wikis already and ShoutWiki's wiki creator doesn't work. The only other options for wiki hosts are either outdated, not free, or not on MediaWiki. So the only way to save them would be to archive them in the Wayback Machine.
Following the closure of the RFC about the stub and cleanup templates, could you please restore all stub templates/deleted edits of stub templates on all wikis? Also, you should import the CGW template to Magnificent Literature Wiki with all revisions copied and all edits assigned to users if they exist locally since that wiki doesn't have a stub template yet.
Also, the cleanup templates need some deleted edit restorations too.
Done.
I can't edit anything without a review.
Where'd you get blocked and why?
I'm talking about the moderation extension.
Not a lock. This would be best merged with the Pending Reviews discussion.
Same. I haven't tested it yet but this is a bad idea.
I disagree with your arguments against the formatting of this RFC stating that it is "messy," as this appears to be the way it works on Miraheze Meta as well. While I understand your problem with requesting too many things at once, when it comes to related proposals, it's kind of repetitive to make separate RFCs for each one of them.
It's not just the fact that there's too many proposals, it's also how they're written. They provide almost no detailed explanation as to how the proposals work or why they're being proposed in the first place. There's also the fact that RfCs work best as simple "yes or no" style proposals, which this RfC doesn't do. That leads to supports being scattered on what exactly to do with almost everyone having a different proposed answer, which makes it impossible to come to a definite decision as I said before.
That's not how it works on Meta, and the way it works on Meta is also messy. What should have been done there is a much more coherent structure.
Well is my Source Reliability-O-meter RFC okay?
Can you close the anti-vandalization system RfC?
Ok.
A couple of things:
- They may focus on news, but they have YouTube channels.
- Since when does focusing on news make it unfitting for the show & episode wikis? What about television channels such as Fox News and CNN?
I knew I shouldn't have made any sort of comment on that blog.
- Just because they have a YouTube channel doesn't mean they qualify. What matters is if the channel has a web series or not.
- Fox and CNN are TV channels, while PragerU, Vice, and HuffPost aren't. They have very little to do with TV shows or web shows as a result.
I entirely back up Blazikeye in this.
Okay, fine.