Topic on User talk:HeavenSmile

I'm not sure why a user who never commented on this discussion has resolved this, and why they didn't add a summary, but regardless I agree with resolving it. This discussion really is going nowhere. HeavenSmile needs to accept that people are allowed to have opinions on Qualitipedia, and additionally SSK didn't even support the RFC to close Qualitipedia, they just abstained it. Also, the vote against the WRWs reopening is, again, an opinion. HeavenSmile, I recommend you stop attacking users for having different opinions.

A while ago, you sent me a message where you accuse me of turning other users against you and you also declared yourself my enemy. Not only that, but you falsely accused me of doing something in September and you never once explained what the hell I did, all of come off as a personal attack, and should be considered unacceptable: https://qualitipedia.miraheze.org/w/index.php?title=Special:UserBoard&user=SuperStreetKombat&conv=HeavenSmile

You've gone way too far this time: first you expressed your addiction to Qualitipedia, then you threatened to kill yourself over its closure, and now you've begun to baselessly insult and harass me over things I never even did, and you've lost even more credibility because of it.

I demand an explanation of your attitude towards me and what the hell it is that you think I did in September that somehow effected you so much.

I think it's cause you opposed the website wikis reopening after previously considering it a reasonable request. I could be confusing you with someone else but I'm pretty sure it was you.

Well, I had suggested the idea of an RfC to reopen the Websites Wikis at the time, because I thought they had potential to improve themselves and then become seperate from QP like the Characters Wikis did, but by the time an RfC about closing QP as a whole came around, I reconsidered the idea of having the Websites Wikis reopened, so I opposed it instead, due to how pointless it became and I looked a little further into their flaws.

Also, why in the world would anyone turn against one another just for reasonably opposing an RfC? That's just ridiculous, if you ask me.

This is HeavenSmile we're talking about though. I never said that's a smart position to take.

I am not falsely accusing you of anything, I felt like if you betrayed me when you decided to make a RfC close Qualitipedia, I lost those who I used to consider friends until that point and you corrupted many people, you are like Palpatine in Revenge of the Sith.

I had good reasons to oppose it, like the reception wikis have a lot of good articles that actually provide fair criticism. but you decided to close it because of things that happened in the past, wikis like AYTW were NEVER part of Qualitipedia, most of the problematic admins have left the wikis and you decided to make that RfC because of stuff that happened in the past which shows how unresponsible you and other admins were before, you were an admin and you could have taken more responsibility.

Yeah, the moment you compared him to Palpatine is when your post lost whatever point it tried to convey. As if.

technically, the RfC for closing Qualitipedia was like when Palpatine ordered the Clone Troopers to excecute the Order 66, when many Jedi were killed.

and SuperStreetKombat turned many people into the darkside like when Palpatine turned Anakin Skywalker into Darth Vader.

Technically, you can spin literally every scenario into a technical fit for whatever agenda you want to pump out. Doesn't make it applicable or helpful.

tfw unnecessary star wars comparisons

have you ever considered dropping them and writing like most people out there?

Closing a wiki is not nearly as bad as execution.

@HeavenSmile Dude, you just contradicted yourself: you said that you're not falsely accusing me of something, and yet you said that I corrupted many people and turned them to the dark side when comparing me to a fictional character, which is a false accusation, if you ask me.

Also, I never made that RfC to close Qualitipedia; it was Blazikeye, Marxo Grouch, and TigerBlazer who co-created it, so I had nothing to do with it, except the fact that I simply added an abstain to it, and nothing else.

So where did you even get the idea that I made such an RfC? Show me proof.

and yes, I felt betrayed when you opposed to my RfC, I realized that I shouldn't have made it.

Here we go again, another rather controversial user talking about betrayals. Your proposal didn't pass. It might suck, but it was rather pointless.

While I was not supposed to go back, I would say the SSK didn't even supported this blasted RfC let alone create, so a question to HeavenSmile: Have you even read the supporters list that you dare to accuse someone who didn't even support it?

HeavenSmile is not famous for his attention to detail or accuracy.

Okay, but the problem is that you have supported this RfC, which is clearly shown by the indicator 48, so I don't know who to trust.

Can you explain what that that has to do whatsoever with that I said?

I wouldn't want to offend you, but many of the people who supported RfC (especially GyrineZ) were very rude to us and wished Qualitipedia to disappear for good with all the pages on it, laughing at us (the opponents) because of it, for this reason I don't have a great liking for the people who support the RfC as for the rest.

proof? Here!

The oldest trick in the book is the 'some guy was a meanie so I don't like anyone who's x'. It's the intellectually laziest way you could go about it and it further illustrates that maybe if you want better treatment you should be a better presence in discussion. Such hyperbole is why few people take you or HeavenSmile very seriously. I do consider myself among the ruder users: It's impossible to talk with people making flagrant fallacies and acting like brick walls. Reasonable debate can only happen with reasonable people. In this respect you are only slightly better than Bluba, likely because you are less active and have fewer reasons to prove it.

So what you're saying is this ONE person on the opposition was notably rude, so you don't have a great liking for ANYONE who supported it.

That's not what I meant, I'm not saying that everyone is bad, but there are people among you who actually act mean to others, I just gave an example of such people.

So ignore the content that is unusable and respond to the things that are directly relevant. It's just lazy to refuse to take anything seriously because some of it is nonsense.

What a bizarre but not surprising bit of hyperbole from HeavenSmile. It does SSK's abilities to manipulate or even politically maneuver far more credit than it ever should.

What do you mean by the last sentence? The message HeavenSmile sent me was a personal attack, and he has no evidence to back up his false accusations of what I did in September since he won't explain it.

Don't worry too much about it. Bottom line is that everything HeavenSmile posted was either absurd, hyperbolic or just plain wrong.