Topic on Talk:Qualitipedia

Custom headers have really gotten out of hand on these wikis. There are some good ones out there, but most of them just feel forced and annoying. At one point there was an RfC to ban them altogether, and it failed. But I have a better idea. We can just ban non-staff wiki users from giving the pages custom headers. And if there’s a custom header they think the page should have, they can suggest it to the staff and they can decide whether or not it’s a good header to have, just like the rule for creating new categories.

That sounds like a potentially good idea, but I can imagine enforcing it would prove to be a complete pain.

How?

A lot of users will likely ignore this rule, forcing the staff to constantly seek out and undo their edits.

Especially custom headings being used in average/decent pages or Bad/Redeeming Qualities sections in formal articles.

I'm pretty sure what he means is that it would be annoying because any time you wanted to give a creative page header you'd have to call admin. That would probably get out of hand.

I'm not really sure about only allowing staff members to add custom headings to pages, since some of us, like myself, aren't really big fans of them, and a lot of pages won't even have them.

"a lot of pages won't even have them." Having custom headers on way too many pages is part of the problem.

Okay, you do have a point, but people outside of Qualitipedia have been very critical of us for not having custom headings on our pages. Remember what happened to me on SephSpace last year?

What is Seph Space?

Abominable garbage that was run by a bunch of traitors that resorted to trollism and harassment.

Well, it was fun to visit while it lasted until things went downhill for it.

It was a private wiki comprised of ex-QP members (including admins like DuchessTheSponge) who made their own reception wiki.

And Duchess was the one who banned me from the wiki last year in June, one of the reasons being the fact that I "defended the 'no custom heading rule'" at one point.

if you were banned from there for such a pathetic and irrelevant reason then i don't think it was ever a place worthy of being praised in the first place IMO

Well, the wiki was pretty welcoming to me when I first heard about it, and I hung out there with its members for a while. Not to mention that while I was still a member of SephSpace, I tried to stay out of the drama between it and the Reception Wikis.

Originally, last year, I'd planned to retire from QP and move over to SephSpace, but Inkster (using a sock account) told Duchess to kick me out of the wiki for 3 things: those being defending the rule against custom headings, removing Nintendo from CGW's Forbidden Pages list (which I didn't do, BTW), and restoring the YouTube page on RWW, despite the site being liked by a lot, which caused me to quit Miraheze entirely.

2 weeks later, however, I returned to this site, and clarified all the things I did on the Reception Wikis, which got me back into SephSpace and I even regained its members' trust until it was closed.

TBH, I'm surprised nobody ever brings this up, despite being such a big deal, and me explaining perfectly well how it went when I first got kicked out of it.

It was a private wiki here made by an ex-user named XXSeph MySpaceXx, and that wiki mostly consisted of former Reception Wiki users who left due to drama and stuff like that.

In August of 2021, SephSpace was shut down, possibly due to having had enough of dealing with too much drama on Miraheze, and the members of it defected to another site.

Given the general attitude towards custom headings among the staff, limiting adding them to staffers would essentially be like banning them. This is why I feel mixed on the idea.

Yeah, I disagree with the idea. I can see the reasoning, but still, it's annoying.

Just FYI, I'm not saying we should allow custom headings because I like them (which I don't); it's just that, like I said before, people outside of Qualitipedia have criticized us for not allowing these types of headings, and I'm trying my best to make the image of our wikis look as good as possible.

As much as I hate how most custom headers look on pages and the fact editing wars often start over them, I'm overall mixed about this decision.

I honestly prefer to get rid of custom headers entirely. They can cause a lot of drama.

And drama will also be caused if we just outright ban custom headers. It's basically a lose-lose situation.

Drama was the same reason why it took so long for us to put Nintendo on the Crappy Games Wiki, and the RfC to give them a page on there said "...if Nintendo does get a page on this wiki, then it'll be permanent, and you'll all have to accept its placement here and no amount of complaints with remove it again." I think we should say the same thing about a custom header ban if that happens.

I would disagree with that. The Nintendo page RFC was a clear success, the two custom header RFCs weren't, and probably never will be.

I believe we've tried that twice now, and it still didn't work. I am aware there wasn't really a clear consensus but regardless, it's probably going to end in the same way, and rightfully so IMO.