Talk:Requests for Comment/Closing Qualitipedia

Irrelevant now.

Since this proposal seems to be successful it is important to decide the fate of the ProQuals and NeutQuals. I would recommend that they visit other reception wikis. I have a list of open reception wikis in my sandbox. For people making those fake collab blogs, there are sites such as Wattpad and AO3 to do that. There is also YouTube to make reviews of media. Subreddits such as r/movies and r/gaming are also media-related websites. While Qualitipedia may die, the world of reception lives on.

Do not close this until people have given their inputs.

I began closing a few

As per Duchess' request

Which is why I removed some of them from the list.

Please don't call us "ProQuals" or whatever. It makes it look like you're still attached to these otherwise dying wikis.

It is the easiest way to refer to users who like Qualitipedia.

i mean you're literally the only one who uses these terms, think about it for a moment

If we can't get these wikis to stay in any way, I think the best option is moving to the New Reception Wiki. We could have a (mostly) fresh start, which might be for the best. I know that we won't have the same history, but let's face it: starting over is better than nothing.
(This was originally posted on Bluba's talk page, but I moved it here)

Why can't you let reception wikis just DIE?!!

Because I would like to contribute to them. If you don't want to, then fine, but you can't just force everyone to stop contributing/trying to revive reception wikis.

If you think it's ok to pretend these wikis deserve to stay alive you need to stop living in your bubble and for once listen to the real problems with Qualitipedia. Any answer to your questions will be redirected to this RfC.

I do know what the problems with Qualitipedia are. This new wiki will try its best to avoid the problems Qualitipedia have. If you think they're a bad idea then you don't have to contribute to them, but I think they have a purpose.

guys have you already read oppose 42 it's the coolest oppose ever so far don't just contain your opinions on the dc server cuz not everyone's in there

No! The reception wikis will never die!

You're only perpetuating everyone's notion that you're obsessed with Qualitipedia.

Well that is a false notion!

@GyrineZ Please maintain a civil behavior. Calling Szcz a "dumb fuck" in another topic, telling Bluba to shut up on his own talk page, and outright raging in this conversation are considered incivil, and are guaranteed to get you blocked.

It's staying open for a couple of weeks at least. That's good enough.

There are some users who are or were interested in reopening the website wikis, whether it be taking over the current one and making major changes, or forking it and hosting it elsewhere. I'm not sure if any of these would be successful, my actual point is there should still be a place for users to propose or discuss things post-closure such as rebooting in some way. And closing all Qualitipedia wikis is a very big thing.

Also because why not? Vandalism on QP meta isn't as big of a problem as it is on the actual wikis, so moderation shouldn't be too difficult for admins. This wiki is small and mostly text, so it's not really going to waste Miraheze's server space significantly.

I would agree.

And I would prefer the CGW and AGW to remain intact, then perhaps I will stop opposing this RfC.

That goes against the whole plint of the RfC you dumb fuck.

That was uncalled for and you should be blocked for being hostile.

Maybe it's you're the fool huh? Everyone has the right to have their say, just as everyone has the right to object to the RfC. You do not want to be here, you do not have to, but at least respect someone else's opinion and yours will also be respected.

No. Don't keep any of those sites up. Just admit they're already dead and move on. FFS they aren't even on life support at this point.

Can you please tell me what’s the consequence in keeping them alive for a few months longer than the rest of QP?

I don't see what's wrong with keeping Qualitipedia Meta open.

I generally agree with Atomic and FatBurn.

I agree. Bukkit has claimed he plans to host them independently. We should also discuss where ProQuals and NeutQuals will go if the wikis do not end up becoming independent. Probably to other Reception Wikis. I have a list of open non-Qualitipedia reception wikis in my sandbox.

Bukkit left the community a few days ago and told me they weren’t hosting new/rebooted wikis after some awful immaturity went down on Discord. Not happening mate

I had a feeling that guy was gonna flake! It's a good thing I've been archiving a lot of wiki pages on the wayback machine.

To be fair, with the state of Qualitipedia, who wouldn't?

D'oh! Well we still have Zangler. I will not let these wikis fall apart!!!

Zangler left too. They got fed up with the community as well and is sick of nearly everyone here.

Are you sure, because both Bukkit and Zangler still have their bureaucrat rights.

Yep, he left, even before the drama in the Discord.

If both of them left, why do they still have their bureaucrat rights, and why did Bukkit comment on a blog post today?

As much as I'm sick of nearly everyone here as I did not only just retired from these wikis (and I shouldn't even be here anyways), but also recently left the server 3 days ago as well, with the drama in the Discord server being the final nail, you should just let it go, since even Zangler is done with QP as well.

I will not let go of Qualitipedia until the end. I will stay with Qualitipedia until the very end, and then contribute to other reception wikis.

And should Zangler leave these wikis as well, we will still have the other Reception Wikis if Qualitipedia falls.

It's just that I care about CGW and AGW and hope that the wikis that belonged to this system will become independent. That is why I am opposed to this RfC.

I care about all of the reception wikis, including the eight Qualitipedia wikis. I am opposed to everything the proposal stands for. Qualitipedia shall prevail!

You seriously need to touch grass. The fact that you see absolutely nothing wrong with your behavior just goes to show how nuts you truly are.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with liking Qualitipedia and being frustrated that other users dislike Qualitipedia.

You're only proving everyone's point further.

Bluba, just move on and touch grass, there aren't really any options anymore, and people still have the rights to dislike any sites in general (including Qualitipedia) because everyone has opinions you know, and they usually give out reasons why.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lITBGjNEp08

I have reopened this topic as the subject of keeping Qualitipedia Meta open is not resolved.

if QP goes down, so does Meta. Simple as that.

Why though?

Oh I don't know maybe because it would have no purpose after it's wikis are gone?

Atomicstar has explained above why it does have a purpose.

Yes it does. It will serve as a post-closure hub to help Qualitipedia users find new wikis to contribute to and to discuss plans for users post-closure.

There are still 26 reception wikis open (25 on Miraheze and 1 on ShoutWiki) as detailed in my sandbox. The plan will be for Qualitipedia users to decide which of those wikis to contribute to post-closure, and possibly where to go if they leave the reception wikis entirely, which is less likely but still a possibility.

Correction: There are 28 wikis, 25 on Miraheze and three on ShoutWiki. There's also the ShoutWiki version of RWW and Good Users Wiki.

Ok thanks for the links. But the Good Users Wiki link doesn't go anywhere.

Try this link (don't use it on pages, but see if it verifies anything).

Most of those are pretty trivial/redundant. ex. Horrid Video Game Mods Wiki, and Horrible Friday Night Funkin Mods Wiki. Why can't these two be in the same wikis? As for the trivial side, Inferior Trains Wiki, Worst Theme Parks Wiki, etc.

Regardless, the 28 wikis that are currently open are the ones where users will be able to go if this wiki closes.

This RfC has been closed and these wikis are about to close if supporting argument is stronger than opposing ones (it is)

The closure of QP is basically resetting the wikis to the start, so the wikis will return at the some point in the future, but it will be very different from the current one.

I think this should be closed after the RFC recieves a certain amount of votes. Right now there are 115 votes, and I think there should be a grace period before Qualitipedia closes on Miraheze for good. The grace period should be at least a month long. The closure will not apply to Qualitipedia Meta.

They say it'll officially close on the 27th.

Or at least the other eight will. There is discussion of keeping Qualitipedia Meta open for a few months in order to help Qualitipedia users find solace on the other 28 reception wikis.

R.I.P. Qualitipedia (July 22, 2013-September 27, 2022)

are the reception wikis going to be closed? I don't want them to die because they helped me to understand what makes pieces of media bad or good, and to be careful with biased sources.

The day the reception wikis close is the day I will kill myself, probably.

Okay, you're taking closures of wikis way too seriously, y'know that?

HeavenSmile, I want you to think of all your family members and friends and think of how they'd feel if you did that.

Yeah, this post is why they need to be nuked from orbit.

@HeavenSmile, don’t kill yourself.

I already gave my reasons why what you are trying to do is not a good idea, plus you all forget the good qualities the Qualitipedia have, such as having pelnty of good articles like the Persona 5 article on AGW.

Is everything we ever did on qualitipedia going to be erased? Our accounts, the wikis, etc.

I think it is confirmed that database dumps of each wikis will be available for users.

Qualitipedia Meta will be open for a few more weeks.

When it closes, is Qualitipedia gonna be lost media or will it be archived somewhere? Just curious.

It is confirmed that database dumps of these wikis will be available for interest users.

Wiki dump will be available, but you can also archive individual pages on archive.org.

[fuck, got ninja'd]

What's a database/wiki dump?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Database_dump

Well, we still have the Wayback Machine.

Well who's gonna archive every page on the Wayback Machine

As stated, database dumps will be available so users can download that and recreate the wiki if they wish. Wiki dumps are also available forever on archive.org.

Correct.

Also, @Agent Isai: You mean the Wayback Machine.

He means archive.org. There is no need to be pedantic.

Oh. Right, I didn't know.

I don't know

Truth be told, I think QP needs to stay dead.

I agree with you ElementalHeroes. I don't want this rust bucket coming back.

To be honest with all of you, I'm tired of people trying to act like archives are a way of continuing a website. Once a website is gone, it's gone. Archives can be used to prove that things happened, but not really make a website exist again, especially considering no changes will be made. I would appreciate it if all of these wikis are kept public so pages can be archived for the sake of proving reception wikis' existence and as much information about them as possible.

Who said it's a way of continuing?

Well people are kind of acting like it is.

I don't think so. I don't think the point for 'people' is that they continue to be operable at all. That's a small minority.

I would be interested in acquiring a dump of these wikis. Any ideas of when they would be available?

Soon

As we got one day left, everything will be changed.

@LancedSoul and @Agent Isai, Okay then.

Call it a questionable decision to close this, but honestly, this is going nowhere. I've left a message on Bluba's talk page, maybe that will go somewhere, but so far I think we should just leave this discussion.

I am calling it now. Only 127 users voted on the proposal. There are hundreds of active Qualitipedia users, and thousands of Qualitipedia users in general. The Steward's noticeboard and Community noticeboard on Miraheze Meta will be flooded with users protesting the closure and requesting that the wikis be reopened. And what about non-users who use Qualitipedia for research. Also, these are Miraheze's most active wikis. What will happen to Miraheze afterwards?

That's not how it works, as I pointed out closing Qualitipedia can actually benefits Miraheze as a whole. And you have meltdown when QP closes after this RfC passes

Also, the reliability of reception wikis are at best comparable to deprecated sources and fails NPOV

I agree with you, TF3RDL. Bluba, you do realize closing Qualitipedia can actually benefit Miraheze. And please don't throw a fit when Qualitipedia and its reception wikis shut down after the RfC to close them passes.

The other reception wikis won't shut down when Qualitipedia closes. Also when someone said about a month ago that QP closing was just speculation, you literally said "Oh no, this is terrible", which leads me to question why you did a full 180 on your beliefs.

If they flood the boards, that's people not being able to be rational. There should be one topic about it. I would assume stewards would delete the duplicate ones. Saying they will be flooding the boards is also an admission of the userbase being toxic and blaming Miraheze for things.

I don't know anyone who uses Qualitipedia for research, I wouldn't see it as a good source and there are so many better ones, but they could use those archives you keep mentioning. That's the point of an archive, and if you say they won't be able to find it, if they want it bad enough, they will find it, just slightly harder. And that's nothing to say of the theoretical reboots. If that's not good enough, then what's the point?

Miraheze is going to be just fine. They don't hinge on Qualitipedia. They may even benefit. More people will browse other wikis.

I doubt they will benefit. The only Miraheze wiki as famous as the Qualitipedia wikis is Closing Logos Group, and people don't even talk about that wiki as a Miraheze wiki. And remember that people associate these wikis with Miraheze. These wikis made Miraheze experience a huge boom in popularity.

Bad popularity. Not all publicity is good publicity.

Agreed. And speaking of popularity, if Miraheze does eventually fade into obscurity, at least it would make outsiders stop unfairly hating on Miraheze simply because they're hosting Reception Wikis. It would be better not just for the other Non-Qualitipedia contributors but also the Miraheze Stewards as they don't have to deal as many problems as they used to

I would prefer that Miraheze doesn't fade into obscurity since they are the only good wiki host left. Fandom sucks, ShoutWiki's wiki creator doesn't work, and all of the other wiki hosts are outdated, aren't free, not on MediaWiki, or a combination of the three.

All the Tropes enters the chat

All the Tropes is not as famous or popular as Qualitipedia or CLG. In fact it is rather obscure compared to its more famous version, TV Tropes.

I wouldn't be surprised if people end up going to Miraheze HQ with picket signs protesting the closure. Or worse, rioting.

Why would anyone in their entire life do something like that? That sounds a little too over-the-top, if you ask me.

What the fuck?

I'll bet you'll be surprised if instead of rioting, people will be celebrating the wikis' closure.

Neither you nor anyone with an investment in these wikis probably even knows where "Miraheze HQ" even is, how to go there, or has the competence to follow through. Don't be absurd.

No, don't start with that. That is never going to happen and it is an extreme exaggeration. People don't care that much about the wikis.

clarification: this is in response to the riots and protests. again, made up terrible events.

To be honest I do hope the rioting doesn't happen, though I wouldn't be surprised if people protested this at Miraheze HQ.

What HQ is this, I'm very curious.

I don't know where Miraheze HQ is myself, but there is an HQ somewhere.

In all honesty, yes, Miraheze will lose a few contributors if Qualitipedia ceases operations, but if there are two wikis that I think Miraheze won't survive with (aside from Meta) are All the Tropes (their largest wiki) and the Closing Logos Wiki (and also Real Live Villains Wiki) because all three wikis have more contributers than Qualitipedia. Also worth noting is that this wasn't the first time a large wiki/community ceased operations on Miraheze as Ficreation closed down last summer and The Outcast Network two years ago and both didn't affect Miraheze one bit.

All The Tropes is extremely obscure compared to TV Tropes. Closing Logos Wiki and Real Life Villains Wiki do have a decent following, but Qualitipedia is Miraheze's most popular wiki network.

Not to mention websites like Vine, Google+, tc. I never heard of reactions that strong to their demise.

Well there were tons of YouTube videos saying "RIP Vine".

What will happen to Miraheze? Nothing. As a Steward, I can affirm that Qualitipedia wikis are by no means our largest nor is this wiki network our biggest (Ballmedia, which promises all the "ball" wikis is our largest 'network'). You forget we host thousands of wikis, of which various Minecraft, Polandball-related, logo, and game documentation wikis are larger than this. If people want to contest the closure, they would've had their chance to on this RfC. For this closure to occur, all Stewards' will need to agree on a rationale and basis so as to be completely sure that a closure is valid and has a solid basis. We're still in the process of seeing how this RfC goes so there's always the chance that this RfC ends up closing as no consensus.

It seems to me that the general consensus (including outside of Miraheze) is that pretty much everyone and their mother wants Qualitipedia gone.

Qualitipedia is the largest wiki network from what I have observed. And there is only one "ball" wiki, Polandball Wiki, which is not as popular as Qualitipedia.

I stand corrected, there are other "Ball" wikis. They are about on the same level of size as Qualitipedia, as are Real Life Villains Wiki and Closing Logos Group. Though the reception wikis are the wikis most commonly associated with Miraheze, and are the ones I usually see people talking about on Steward's Noticeboard. I do hope that Qualitipedia doesn't shut down though, since they are still some of Miraheze's most popular wikis.

clgwiki helps a lot to Miraheze

I got depressed when Yu-Gi-Oh! GX ended. I got depressed when Fatal Frame 4 wasn't released to the U.S. I got depressed when I beat Grandia 2 and Persona 4 because they were so good. And you know what? I moved on with my life. When QP ends, I'll be moving on as well.

The RfC to close Qualitipedia is a necessary evil as other solutions doesn't work and closing these wikis actually benefits Miraheze

Also, I got depressed when a pool simulation game on PC/console coming outside Russia doesn't include Russian Pyramid, so I created this page about a hypothetical game

Went extremely off topic and there's no point in continuing this conversation anymore. The Goose Named Zeus (talk) (contribs) (CentralAuth) (Board) 22:29, 16 September 2022 (UTC)
My comment: (I was writing this before ZeusDeeGoose's summary appeared, and will put it here for the record) Is going off-topic, and this situation is ultimately just getting worse. I would recommend that Bluba learns to accept that Qualitipedia users are not "traitors" for supporting the RFC, that this is not a home of any kind, that Qualitipedia users still interested in the wikis are not refugees, and most importantly that Grust is not a god nor is anyone Jesus or WikiJesus. Even if you can argue otherwise, please do not, and just stop saying the four things I mentioned. Let it go, Bluba, and just wait for the RFC to have its result. If the RFC is successful, Bukkit might move the wikis elsewhere, and if not, we might recreate these wikis from scratch (that might even be for the best). If you have arguments with other things than feel free to make them, but ignore the four things, and regardless of whether or not you are obsessed, ignoring the four things will certainly help you, and so will no longer arguing about whether or not you are obsessed. FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 22:37, 16 September 2022 (UTC)

1. Overcriticism-I’m not exactly sure how to describe this, but I’ve seen some people add criticism over stuff that’s not really a big deal. For example, Bee Movie’s page on the AMW used to talk about the Winnie the Pooh scene and claimed it was used without Disney’s permission despite no proof. I removed that pointer, then one person added a pointer saying the scene is mean spirited. It was removed again, and then another person added a pointer saying the cameo is pointless and for whatever reason, said it’s there because Pooh is public domain, which is totally irrelevant. I eventually removed the pointer and said we should just stop talking about the scene, and then it turned into an edit war of adding and removing the pointer, all over a 10 second clip. The page ended up getting protected for 2 weeks. Some people will also overreact about some business practices, such as SonicFTW adding the delay of the Mario Movie as a bad quality on Illumination’s AMW page. So what? Just because they delayed Rise of Gru 2 whole years, means that any delay they make is bad? Even if it’s just by 5 months? Sometimes, these stances can be offensive. When Twitter had a page on the RWW, it criticized them for banning Trump after the insurrection. Netflix’s page on the FWW criticized Netflix for removing Dave Chapelle’s transphobic special. It also criticized them for firing Kevin Spacey, saying it ruined House of Cards, but then it proceeded to say it was justified because of his actions. Yeah, whoever wrote that knew what kind of person they were defending.
2. Nitpicky false advertising claims-A lot of false advertising claims are people overreacting about such minor things that they otherwise wouldn’t care about, such as the color of someone’s shirt. This makes it difficult to take any false advertising claims seriously. I should also mention that one of the reasons people want QP to shut down is because they treat opinions like facts. When a bad movie says something like “The greatest movie of the year” on its DVD cover, people will call it false advertising, which really shows that these wikis treat opinions like facts. I made a separate blog about this, check it out to see more details.
3. The average media category-Its a good category on the negative wikis for media that got mixed reception, but it has some media that I don’t think belongs in there, such as Tom and Jerry, Click, and Resident Evil. Hotel Mario used to be in the average games category, despite being considered by many to be one of the worst games of all time.
4. Political stances-I’ve mentioned some examples of this in the first pointer. This is something that has made me feel kind of uncomfortable on these wikis. The CGW has a whole page criticizing Microsoft for cutting ties with Notch during the controversy about him being transphobic. I saw some people on the AGW defend Scott Cawthon when he was exposed for donating to the GOP. Not only did the AGW used to have a page about GamerGate, but it’s sister wiki had a page about anti-GamerGate. I saw one comment defending Kyle Rittenhose. Remember when the RWW allowed all those pages about politics that weren’t solely related to the internet? Back then, it had pages about BLM and antifa, the latter of which isn’t even an organization. That made me feel very uncomfortable to look at the wiki.
5. Those darn custom headers-I’m sure you knew I’d bring this one up. They were cool at first, but then people decided that literally every page needs a custom header, leading to headers that just sound forced and annoying. What’s especially annoying is when people give an average media page a custom header that says something like “Why Jar Jar is not a humble servant” and then put “Bad Qualities” in parentheses. Sometimes they’ll even forget to add the part saying “Bad Qualities.” Some custom headers don’t even make sense. One Transformers page on the AMW used “Autobot Qualities” as a good qualities header.
6. Userbase-I think part of what makes QP biased is the age of it’s users. I saw one person say that most of the users seem to be 14 and 15. Obviously, the minimum age to use these wikis is 13 because of COPPA, but Letterboxd requires it’s users to be at least 16, and I can clearly see why. It’s an age when we have a better sense of quality. Another problem with the userbase is that they think we need a reception wiki for literally everything, like logos, Github projects, and Gacha videos. One person even suggested making a reception wiki about years. We’ve also had some specific users that have been a menace to these wikis, such as MarioBobFan, Prodigy012, and Eric Bagwel. One user that’s been concerning a lot of us lately is Blubabluba9990, who clearly has an unhealthy obsession with these wikis. When PhantomStrider showed a snippet of the CGW without giving the name of the wiki, Bluba figured it was because he couldn’t say “crap” in order to keep the video kid friendly (even though Strider has said “crap” in his other videos), so Bluba made an RfC to rename the wiki so that kid friendly YouTubers could give the wiki a shoutout that we really don’t need. There’s also more proof of this obsession that he’s in denial about. Calling the supporters of this RfC bad guys (EDIT: He also replied to this discussion saying that they're also traitors.) and the opposers good guys, portraying QP users as refugees, claiming that the wikis are useful for YouTube reviewers to use as a source, constantly praising people who want to save the wikis, ignoring the reasons why we can’t host QP independently, making an RfC to become a bureaucrat, and giving medals of honor to QP users despite not being a staff. Most of the people opposing this RfC are giving weak reasons, such as, “I like these wikis.”
7. Issues with Miraheze-I know this isn’t QP’s fault, but it still makes these wikis difficult to use. I’ve had moments of difficulties logging in, random empty HTM files being downloaded, lagging, the editor not working, and the site just not working at all. There’s also a huge issue with the comments sections. They’ll randomly break and sometimes they’ll incorrectly sort the comments and replies. A lot of people claim the solution is to go independent, but as I mentioned in a previous discussion, it’s not that simple. It’s not worth the money we’d need for the servers and the domain name, and the servers would take too much effort to maintain. And honestly, I think hosting QP independently would just make the technical issues worse.

One thing I like about these wikis is that I found them a good place to see what a lot of people like or dislike about a piece of media. A lot of people say to just look at aggregate sites like Metacritic, but they tend to be more biased. I’ve tried just looking at reviews on sites like Letterboxd, but I can’t seem to figure out the common criticisms from those reviews. When they’re all put onto one page, that makes it easier. Wikipedia will sometimes talk about common criticisms, but not in much detail. Unfortunately, bias kinda hinders what I like about these wikis.

1. Fair enough.
2. Fair enough.
3. Do you have proof of the reception being contrary to this?
4. Fair enough.
5. Fair enough, though I think that custom headers should exist, however some can indeed be corny.
6. Age is not the problem. People online under 16 are not necessarily toxic, so they should have a right to contribute if they are not toxic. Also, the three users you mentioned are all blocked (not including Blubabluba9990), so I think it's better if you use some more examples of toxic users who are not blocked.
7. Miraheze is not that bad. There are some issues but they are usually easily fixed.

It's not just "one" Transformers page that had the "Decepticon Qualities" and "Autobot Qualities" headings; it's almost every single one of those Transformers pages on these wikis that had said headings.

MY INPUTS, even though I was supposed to leave.

I agree on most everything, even the header issues. I am not obsessed, but I wanted to keep this place up. However, I do realize it is getting broken and unfixable, so I suppose the "collapse" and the Final Solution (Dilute the wikis and provide an archive dump) is a decent idea.

ABOUT PRODIGY12: He attempted to make me be blocked in the CLG Wiki for adding a fake logo series on my userpage.

Other than that, I think the wikis should end. Even if I still think there is hope, I suppose maybe the era is over.

With due thanks,
jrStudios, LLC

After all, you objected to the closure of Qualitipedia + Most likely, they will still be editable, and now suddenly you say something completely opposite that you want them to disappear now! Are you using even a little bit of your brain?

They never said they want them to disappear now, what on earth are you talking about?

I don't. All I want is a MASSIVE reorder. The Final Solution may be a good idea for now, as reorganization will take 1 - 5 years. PLEASE understand this!

Can you NOT call it the 'Final Solution'? Like, stop. I don't even think I need to explain why.

Sorry, I got it wrong.

Shut up.

@FatBurn0000 He changed his mind out of nowhere, first opposed and now suddenly supports closure and displacement from Miraheze after 6 months. Fortunately, though Bukkit plans to host elsewhere and has taken a wiki dump.

Might as well call me a traitor, too. I have over 1000+ edits on Qualitipedia, and I supported closure.

Anyone who voted support on the proposal to close Qualitipedia is a traitor.

I'm fine with that.

You're fine with betraying your former home. Wow.

If it's intangible, it's not a home.

It's an internet home.

There's no such thing as an "internet home."

An internet home is where a person spends most of their time while they are online, or a significant portion of their time while they are online. It can be any wiki, online forum, or even just a website you check frequently.

Then by that definition, I haven't "lived" in Qualitipedia for a long time now.

Well not "lived" as much as "used". I wouldn't call it a home, but I can't think of another word.

I've left said home, and I dislike it now.

Which means you have betrayed your home website.

Okay.

No Bluba, they are not traitors, they are users who no longer want to contribute to Qualitipedia nor do they think there is any point in it continuing to exist.

Well that means they betrayed Qualitipedia, since they no longer like it. Some users that retired still liked Qualitipedia but just lost interest, while some users seem to actively hate Qualitipedia.

A betrayal would be when someone trusts someone else, and that someone else does something untrustworthy to that someone.

More proof that Bluba is obsessed with QP.

Bruh. The definition of betrayal is to be disloyal to someone or something and turn on them. By voting to close Qualitipedia, users are betraying Qualitipedia since they used to support it but now they are against it. You seem to be obsessed with trying to falsely accuse me of being obsessed with Qualitipedia.

The definition of refugee is a person who flees for refuge or safety, especially to a foreign country, as in time of political upheaval, war, etc. And the definition of home is a house, apartment, or other shelter that is the usual residence of a person, family, or household.

Both of those things apply to Qualitipedia:

• Qualitipedia users will be fleeing to other websites if Qualitipedia closes so that they can have a new online home.
• Qualitipedia is an online home for many users who primarily edit the wikis when they are online, and is basically their online residence.

So please stop using my words against me.

Ukraine, Syria, Afghanistan, etc are real places. The people there are disaffected by the situations forcing them out. On the internet, no one's pushed to other sites against their will. You're not "Qualitipedian", you're the hone country's nationality.

They will be pushed to other sites against their will if Qualitipedia closes. I am a Qualitipedian and a Wikipedian. That is my internet identity.

What if they don't want to move to other websites, and decide they no longer have interest in the Internet whatsoever after Qualitipedia was closed? I mean, I doubt that anyone would do that (not just because I suspect very few people have no interest in the Internet, but also because I don't think Qualitipedia is popular enough to be the only thing on the Internet that people like), but still, what if they didn't want to?

That is astronomically unlikely given what you just said in the parentheses. If that is the case, they would still technically be Qualitipedia refugees since they are being pushed off of Qualitipedia.

They are not being pushed off. The wikis are being closed, and they will simply focus more on other websites to which they contribute/use, or spend less time online since Qualitipedia is no longer there.

They are being pushed off since the wikis are being closed. They have no choice but to leave Qualitipedia since it is being closed.

Bluba, they are not houses, as we do not live here. It is just a wiki family to which some of us like contributing.

It's not a literal home, it is more of a figurative home.

Still I don't really think there's such thing.

Yes there is! What else should I call it, since "website which one primarily contributes to" is too long.

Look, I was banned from their server (and still am on the Wikis except for this one) when the Reception Wikis used to be my main site. By your logic, doesn't that also make me a refugee?

No because you committed treason and were banned. Compare it to being deported vs being a refugee. When you think about it, a lot of things in online communities share similarities to real life communities.

can i say that this discussion of traitor/betrayal is not solving anything and it's pointless to continue it? now that's a new obsession.

Exactly. AntiQuals (which is what I call former QP users who support Qualitipedia's closure) are traitors by definition and that is a fact, so it is pointless to argue over it.

Stop. Bluba, just STOP. Please. Every single time, you are digging yourself deeper and deeper. You are going too far. You are comparing QP to countries, to disasters, you compare the admins/creators to gods or Jesus (Oh My Grust), you make up QP award shows and give medals of dishounour, and yet you STILL claim you're not obsessed. Every single time you say you're not obsessed, you manage to go one step further into being, or at least ACTING obsessed, and you ignore everyone who says this. You are going to get yourself into deep trouble and you just need to stop. Please.

By the way, I literally never heard of "Oh my Grust" until the obvious.

Well I made it up. It is an alternative to "Oh My God" for use on the Qualitipedia wikis.

Yet so far only you use it. No one else will out of a force of habit.

Even back when me or many other people used to like the Reception Wikis, I was never that delusional nor have I treated any human being as infallible (the Pope makes mistakes too). How do you explain that?

To answer both of your questions:

1. A country is just a very large community. All communities are generally applicable to the same principles.
2. Grust is the creator of Qualitipedia so technically he is the god of Qualitipedia.
3. I created that Qualitipedia award ceremony to award the best Qualitipedia users. I don't see why people think that is a bad thing.
4. I have never said that Qualitipedia is perfect. Nothing is perfect. I am aware of Qualitipedia's flaws.

QP is not a country. You cannot justify QP being a country. You should stop this because this is why people think you're obsessed. Grust is not God, not in any way shape or form, figuratively or literally, saying he's a god and promoting the phrase oh my Grust implies worship or religion, which you should stop, because this is why people think you're obsessed. You also created medals of dishonour in that "ceremony". That cannot be justified. That needs to stop. That's just plain rude and nasty. I have no argument for your last point.

My conclusion. You want people to stop calling you obsessed? Stop acting like it. You act like you're obsessed and the people who think you're obsessed are being reasonable. They're not under some mass delusion. They say what they're seeing. It's like every day or so now you manage to do something that makes it look worse. I keep thinking you can't stoop lower, but you do. You do.

1. No, a country is a large area with lots of people, land, is in between two rivers/oceans/etc., and is bigger than a street, suburb, city/town, state, and some regions and islands, but is smaller than a continent, some islands, and some regions.
2. That's not how things work. A god is a person who people essentially believe leads them in some way (I think, I'm not religious, so I'm not sure). Before you say "Grust is that of Qualitipedia because...," I will say that I understand the comparison, I just think it's a completely exaggerated one regardless of why you use it, and it could also be potentially offensive. In fact, given that Grust himself is a Christian, he would definitely not like the comparison to say the least.
3. I do think that the idea is okay, but not gonna lie, it was still questionable to make it yourself given that it is the kind of thing that should be made official.
4. Okay then.

I hate to break it to you but not even "micronation" is accurate.

then why the fuck you keep discussing it bluba

I'm not the one continuing the argument.

Then stop replying.

I would but people keep on replying to me.

Then resolve it. This discussion is rather silly.

Hello, are you still not tired of being here considering you're going to leave? However, I am curious what is the reason you support this goddamn RfC if you can go and ignore the whole situation? You can change the sides and you will be able to work on the new wiki without any problems.

I will leave as soon as the RfC closes, successful or not. My reasons for supporting it were the same as the proposal itself, because I helped write it some of it. And no, I’m not changing sides unless Qualitipedia changes for the better, which I doubt will happen before the inevitable death of Qualitipedia. And also, no, I won’t work on a revival of Qualitipedia (if one ever comes to be).

@Szcypak2005 Is that even a reason to insult users over decisions? People are free to change their minds and show their opinions whenever they realized a bunch of things, but here, you're insulting users over the fact they changed their votes, such as calling JrStudios a traitor and even DeadPixel by saying that "he's using a bit of his brain" over his decision.

They are allowed to change their mind.

I would like to know what people who still care about this place can do after the RfC is successful? We don't want to leave and we would like to spend at least a few years here.

This sounds like vote brigading to me.

Asking a question about what people who care can do is not vote brigading.

His message comes across as guilt-tripping, as if the lives of the opposers will be ruined if QP closes.

Make of it what you will but that message still isn't vote brigading because they're not going around asking others to vote on one side.

ngl i don't see the guilt-tripping here

Nope, kinda sounds like guilt tripping. Many users on Qualitipedia have already accepted the fate of the wikis, so this is pointless.

I beg to differ, just because a lot of users have accepted it doesn't mean everyone has.

What’s the point? It’s already a mess, nothing is going right; they’re basically spending those few years in doing zero to fix this

Again, Bukkit has dump files and is planning to host these wikis independently.

Except that it is not known whether the dump will work, if it turns out not, it will simply mean the end of Qualitipedia.

That is a possible theory, but even then, I think that another option would be recreating them completely. Wait for Bukkit to try though.

Okay, on these new wikis I will try to achieve something more, maybe even become an admin, who knows? See you on the new wikis!

As I said, it's a possibility if it doesn't work. Don't plan or get excited about anything, just wait patiently to see what will happen.

With how bad QP's reputation is, I deeply regret making it. So in the unlikely event this gets moved to a new area (though to be honest QP is beyond repair and should stay gone when it closes), I request that I'm never acknowledged in any way ever. I don't want to be mentioned in general and I've already deleted my Google Account to be reborn under a new name in the future so I can't be contacted. I just don't want to be found by anyone who hates QP or any of the toxic users that ruined it.

Just forget I ever existed. I've thought long and hard and I think it's best I put QP far behind me and move on with my life.

So does that mean we should forget about everything you said?

Lol

Like what I mean is, should we not mention anything you said that could be seen as controversial?

You can get rid of all my blogs and all my pages if you wish.

Especially the political ones. Don't get me wrong I'm still very anti-SJW but if you ever relocate and wish to stay neutral, the best way is to leave both the left and the right alone.

Honestly, the best option at this point might be to start from scratch.

If you do you might want to wait for many years until the negativity dies way way down. Though truth be told, the internet never forgets so I think a lot of damage is done.

Also, is there any place we can still communicate with you?

The closest you might get is VG Collect but I'm only there for my game collection. Once I add a game to my list I usually log out. I go by Grust1. As for YouTube. I have already changed my name and have no plans to give it out.

I used to be almost just as anti-SJW as you are, Grust, but because of how controversial the term "SJW" is, and the fact that I'm not interested in politics despite disliking SJWs, I've been doing my best to stay in the mid wing.

Not going to lie I kind of gave up trying to go mid wing and sided with conservatism. I won't explain why because like I say to be political neutral is to leave both sides alone. Just because I'm not neutral doesn't mean I don't know how to be politically neutral. I keep my political views shut on videos like ProJared or SNES Drunk. But on politic videos, I let it out.

However I will say I would like entertainment to stay middleground and centrist. It's why I miss the 90s so much. Well that and SNES games were cheaper. Glad to have my Retroid Pocket 2 for that.

TBH if it has a reason to be, entertainment can be political, but politics shouldn't be talked about when they don't need to be.

Also, speaking technically, centrism and apoliticism are not the same thing. If you criticise SJWs, you don't have to be right-wing necessarily, but you can't really call yourself "apolitical." An apolitical person wouldn't show interest in politics at all, including anti-SJW views.

K meant to say middleground and apolitical.

I mean political agendas. But politics can be done right in gaming, like Metal Gear and JRPGs do have some kind of politics with monarchies and Fable 2 does have an economy system. But for the most part I prefer entertainment free of agendas.... and sparkling vampires.

Luckily I don't have to worry about political agenda or sparkling vampires because of my horror binge. Finally at long last I beat Fatal Frame 2 on Fatal mode and battled Sae Kurosawa and defeated her. This netted me all 4 endings of the XBox original Director's Cut.

Oh and my multicart for SNES. Has Earthbound and Chrono Trigger.

I thought this was the plan already tbh, but it's good to hear that maybe it will work this time.

That was only me leaving the wikis. This is me now being forgotten if the wikis ever get moved.

Sorry to turn down that request, but I'll never forget you, Grust, or all the fond memories I had of reading pages on these wikis back when they were on FANDOM before this whole network went straight to crap.

You're my hero, Grust, and you mean a lot to me and my position on the Reception Wikis.

I guess I should have meant to not acknowledge my existence if these wikis move to another site.

I'll never forget you either Grust, nor will I forget most of the users who I befriended here, because even though I just recently created a new wiki here in Miraheze, I will still have fond memories exploring here.

I will remember you, but I'll respect your request and not mention you anywhere.

I'll remember you, but not for anything related to the Wikis. It's not your fault for this mess, it's the mess itself that you're trying to clean.

We've sadly reached the point where the only way to clean this mess is if QP was gone.

Also here is an advice next time Grust, if you wanna review or express your own opinion, it would be better to make a blog for it than an entire wiki like what people at Encyclopedia SpongeBobia did

Oh I'm not going to do that anymore. Plus I only made the wikis because as an AVGN fan I thought it might be fun.

So you don't find it fun to rant on games anymore?

I got a good enough collection. Plus other YouTubers do it way better than I can.

Tbh the feeling of being forgotten by the QP userbase is exactly what I want too tbh. I mentioned it a few times in the server but I feel like I made too little significance here as a user along with needing to get along with my life that I don’t really want to be remembered that I was here either if they stay up. I never did really anything for the community along with me just really disliking it now, so I see no point in having to be associated with these wikis anymore.

I seriously need to stop commenting here when I should be gone…

it's just a burning memory

I see, goodbye then...

Alright...

Guys, I may sound dumb, but who the fuck was Grust?

Is that a serious question? I thought you knew who he was?

Did you see the topic above or do I have to punish you with the bad Don Bluth movies so you'll learn to see the topic above?

What topic above?

This.

Oh.

Apologies, o great offspring of Kefka Palazzo.

Why does this question sound familiar...

Which question?

"Who the f**k was Grust?"

You couldn't get the joke, right?

@FatBurn0000 It's a joke based on Grust wanting users to forget about him.

Man, you people down there took this seriously...

Some psychopath with no regard for human life. All the administrators and even bureaucrats were terrified of him because rather than death threats, he would use horrible acts of torture like Barney and Friends songs, Pauly Shore's filmography or sending them to a dimension where Tommy Wiseau did a one man show of the Wizard of Oz with a huge highlight on Somewhere Over The Rainbow.

What made him even more terrifying was he was merely a servant for greater evil he called his dark masters. And one of his dark masters was the Joker, which would explain why he was so sadistic and feared.

Do you still have any means of contacting you? Because you were a friend, and I enjoyed talking to you back in the day, before things got rough.

Sorry, but I'd rather that info be kept private. Remember that time I got harassed by that SJW on my nephew's YouTube channel?

He said above that you can find them on VG Collect as Grust1.

But his collections are private, and when I try to sign up, it says "Invalid adress", but I cannot log in because there is no account with my email.

Oh sorry hang on. Okay now try checking out VG Collect.

It works now. Thank you.

Yeah set it to private but I fixed it.

I'm not active on the forums so don't try to contact me there. I'm just list my collection there.

I noticed that the discord server has been rebranded. Personally I think this is too soon - I think we should wait until the wikis officially close.

From the looks of it, the closure already seems certain.

The mods on the server and I decided to emancipate the server from Qualitipedia regardless of the outcome of the RfC.

I also heard Blazikeye will also close the wikis regardless of the RfC's outcome.

Really? Where?

I strongly considered it, but Bukkit dissuaded me.

Miraheze would be a much better place without these tedious excuse of wikis.

What do you exactly mean by that?

I decided against closing them regardless of the RfC outcome since if the RfC isn't successful and I close them, a steward will intervene and open them back up, making me closing them if it goes against the consensus pointless.

TBH I disagree with rebranding it. It's still the server for Qualitipedians, and if the wikis get revived independently, there will need to be a server for the wiki. Even if you don't want to contribute to Qualitipedia nor have anything to do with it, it's still not a bad idea to have it be the Qualitipedia server.

Or someone can just make another Qualitipedia server if the network survives.

Well yeah, but what's the harm in it still being the Qualitipedia server?

My guess is that the former "Reception Wikis" server is so vehemently against the Wikis themselves (it turned against them by the RfC) that it'd harmful to their userbase if the Wikis survive. Naturally the anti-Reception Wiki users of the server would want to declare independence regardless of the outcome. This then leaves the remaining "loyalists" to establish their own server after the schism only to bring their end closer. This is oddly brilliant of the RfC supporters.

Well yeah, but it won't necessarily be a big deal if it's still the Qualitipedia server, and plus, if the wikis are revived, it is possible that they will improve (I know that not a lot of people have hope, but I have some ideas), so that will not necessarily be a problem.

In that case the discord server should be removed from wiki sidebars, the front page here, and discontinued in the Discord page locally.

Going independent isn’t as simple as you seem to think. We’d have to pay regularly for servers and the domain and the servers would also take a lot of effort to maintain.

This is why I'd rather we stay on Miraheze, but I see why we can't. Recreation is still an option though.

I'm working on it, it's called "Qualitipedia: Take Two"

Sounds cool.

Can't we just call it Qualitipedia? Also, if we go independent and if it's possible, the best option is to create an entire wiki hosting service named Qualitipedia since that's the way to keep us all affiliated.

Plus we're talking about keeping something with one of the worst reputations on the internet alive. Maybe it's not as bad as Titter or Facebook, but still a bad reputation.

Removed

I removed it. Do not ask again.

Hahaha, "Titter".

Sorry, Twitter!

You can edit your own comments.

Meh this is funnier.

Twatter

We could split each wiki so the only wiki they're related to are their alternate versions. We just supply each dynamic duo to anyone who bids on each wiki pair and manages to strike a deal with QP so they can get two of the 8. ( eg. Terrible TV Shows will still be related to Best TV Shows, but not to Awful Movies Wiki ).

Not to nitpick or be rude, but gotta love how it's been a year since the wikis were renamed, and people are still referring to them as Terrible and Best TV Shows Wiki

I know they’re called Terrible/Best Shows and Episodes wiki, but I usually shorten it to it’s original form for comments.

Why exactly? Not to be rude, but still.

Makes sense to me. "and Episodes" is gnarly to type out every time and is a less relevant thing to specify than shows, which naturally have episodes, which could logically be in scope without having to slap it into the name.

But all eight wikis are united.

Honestly I have to agree that all wikis should stay united.