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Ilovecorgis8 here, I created a new account because I wanted to have a fresh start, I heard that the wikis are gonna come back, is this true or false?

I feel like it could be false

1. It is true. They are being revived on qualitipedia.cf.
2. It's spelt sites, not sights in this case. Sights is a sight of something, as in, something you see.

I fixed the title.

False, i am no admin, but judging the reception of this closure, it is not coming back for the forseeable future, but you are free to make your own wikis similar to the former wikis

They always do seem to crawl out of the abyss somewhere or another but currently they're trying to become relevant in the form of qualitipedia.cf mentioned above. It's not very functional at the moment.

The wikis are almost certain not to return on Miraheze hosting. Of course, the disdain of hosting providers hasn't stopped fanatics from carrying on before.

Me And My Friend Have Made A Qualitipedia Clone And We're Importing Wikis Right Now. Join Us At meta.qualitipedia.cf

It is no longer accessible. It was a while ago, but not anymore.

Nevermind, it's working now.

How the hell did your fingers not fall off from capitalizing the first letter of every word?

I can't edit. I tried to confirm my email, but I haven't received an email yet. Could you please fix this?

Check Your Spam Folder. I See That You Were Emailed

It has appeared in my spam folder, so I moved it to the inbox, but as I mentioned, the link is not working right now.

This is very good news, because we will still be able to edit pages after 2022 and no one will tell us what to do, and clearly everyone who supported this RfC has left, so no one will know. My nickname is Szczypak64.

Oh crud, this is very bad news.

Maybe for you, but I am pleased with it. You don't want to attend, no one is forcing you, but I'm still interested in Qualitipedia.

Well, if we're going to bring back Qualitipedia, I think we can both agree that a good way to turn down the toxicity amongst the wikis would be to disable commenting on all of its pages for good. That way, less people will be able to show bias towards their favorite or least favorite elements.

That's ridiculous. Comments are an important part of Qualitipedia. All you need to do is warn and block toxic users.

You know, I think it's very fine for QP to move on and be fully independent - it saves Miraheze the misery, lets the people invested in it grow up on their own terms and is something generally easy to ignore by the wider internet.

The only problem is, well, all of the factors I had in mind when I considered and then dismissed doing this myself.

The big questions are accountability and finance - how is this set up? It's a random server proxied with cloudflare with a free domain name. It's clearly not built to be financially viable which is something you might require to actually host a full network with meaningful traffic. Aside from that it is owned and operated by Fred from Nowhere with a questionable grasp on English in conversation, forgive my bluntness. It hands out advanced rights like candy right from the start. It came from nowhere and can just as soon disappear from nowhere if its existence is measured in a trial hosting license. There's nothing resembling privacy policy or attempt to organize: A random server on the internet promising free cand- I mean, free wikis with no model to speak of. That's a problem. Nobody really knows who owns it, and who knows who is going to be staff considering most meaningful staff have long retired and the barrel is literally at the bottom, made clear by Bluba's involvement. There's an arbitrary 'staff' group which pulls the strings of bureaucrats and admins which probably shouldn't be how it works but there it is. Bluba's already slapped in a censorship rule against opinions he doesn't like despite having no rights to speak of there. Gee, wonder how that's going to turn out.

I'd be less caustic if there was evidence of competence but to be honest, this is far from convincing.

When you said "handing out advanced rights like candy," I thought you meant that "candy" was an actual user right. LOL.

Well, it may as well be.

People ignore that Miraheze is not just reception wikis. just look at Real Life Villains Wiki.

I do have to admit, I'm a bit suspicious too. Why was the confirmation email address in my spam folder?

This is not unusual - it often happens when email providers don't recognize a service and qualitipedia.cf (free domain) is as obscure as it gets no matter how legitimate the email is (happens on even larger community websites with good background but settings that get flagged anyway). I would worry about the oversight, the spam flag is likely irrelevant.

I have confirmed my email address now and everything's fine it appears, but it's still suspicious.

The literature wikis have been imported to this new server. Crappy Games Wiki and Greatest Movies Wiki have also been important, but are taking longer to develop. The other Qualitipedia have not been imported, but might be in the near future.

( The other Qualitipedia was meant to have “ wikis “ at the end. Sorry. )

i’m gonna request making the pages less like a deviantart rant and more like a wiki article than anything if the wiki pages work out again...

That will be a massive uphill battle, but good luck. The key is that you're not going to get anywhere requesting it. Nobody will be arsed to do it unless they planned to do it already. You will have to put up what you want to see happen. Your request should merely compliment what you intend to do to make it happen.

These wikis are down.

They're still accessible, they're just often glitchy. Try typing in the full URL (including the https) or accessing them on mobile editor.

Looks like qualitipedia.cf is being vandalized.

P.S. I'm still retired from QP, BTW; it's just that I was looking at the cf version of it, and saw that there's a troll there causing mayhem and nobody seems to have noticed yet.

Is there a specific wiki that's being vandalized?

Qualitipedia Meta. The cf version of it.

I meant like the Movies Wikis, or the TV Wikis, or the Games Wikis; that type of stuff.

Just the Meta, as far as I know.

One of the rules mentions COPPA, which is in the United States, despite Miraheze being based in the United Kingdom. Miraheze does require users to be 13 or older when they sign up.

Thanks for the notice, I've purged it on all mentioned wikis.

The rules on each of them are largely obsolete and read like rants - unfortunately this has been by the wayside to fix for a while now.

To be honest, I changed them to reduce people's hatred of these wikis, and yet because of that, you were unnecessarily causing drama that you yourself said contributed to the downfall of this place.

Title, I was confused why he did this.

That's strange. I may have to take a look into this and reprimand the user if need be.

I haven't heard anything about this.

This happened in April, check his contribs

There's a rule change I'd like to propose on the Terrible TV Shows Wiki, but I'm wondering if that's something that only admins can do.

You're free to make an RfC. No need to be an admin, but you should probably make it on the local wiki where it's most relevant rather than the central wiki which covers the whole of QP.

All you need to do to become an admin is be really active, make lots of positive contributions, have been on the wikis for at least 2 months since your account creation, and gain a lot of respect and trust from other users, including admins. An RfC isn't required to have such a permission.

He's not asking to have it, only if he has to be an admin to make an RfC.

He does not. Nor does he need to be to suggest rules, or changes to them. Naturally there will need to be agreement among other users/admins for it to come into effect.

Anybody else kind of bored because there's currently no real activity on this wiki besides the CWW RFC?

don't you have something else to do?

I do, but still...

This isn't supposed to be active until it's needed, as an administrative wiki. It needs some reorganization anyway, I'd rather not see it too heavily used for what it is until that's done.

This is my unblock request that I previously put on Awful Movies Wiki. The unblock request begins as "@SuperStreetKombat Please unblock my account on some Wikis, these are Best TV Shows Wiki, Terrible TV Shows Wiki, Loathsome Characters Wiki and Crappy Games Wiki. I will not be rude to anyone, including AkihitoZero5454. I will not harass anyone anymore. I will not do any mistakes anymore, if I did them. I have learned to not argue with others for differing opinions. I will read the Code of Conduct and will not violate it. I will only do useful contributions, after I got unblocked on all those Wikis. I will learn to respect opinions. See, my article about Miracle Star on Terrible TV Shows Wiki made it more useful than before. I will not be a brat anymore, if I was one. Please unblock my account on Best TV Shows Wiki, Terrible TV Shows Wiki, Loathsome Characters Wiki and Crappy Games Wiki.". See, I want to be unblocked in these Wikis. I was blocked for harassing other users. I know that harassment is wrong and I refrained from it. I want to be unblocked and want to do only useful contributions.

Dude, you just said the exact same thing and you still continued to spread your flawed ideology across various wikis.

at this point i think more mods need to look into this lol

I hate calling my ideology a flawed ideology, it's a personal opinion. But I will not say the same thing over and over again. Because, my best friend, Raidarr told me to to upload my unblock request which was on Awful Movies Wiki on Qualitipedia central.

If my ideology is a flawed ideology, then I will not spread it anymore.

I requested that it be posted here.

I don't get what 'ideology' is supposed to be involved here and frankly, I'll go by your followup response: don't be spreading ideologies. Just express opinions in a civil way and if they're too problematic to add to pages, add them to comments or blogs. Depending what others say here if they see anything interesting, I'll look into how contentious your edits are per-wiki and adjust blocks accordingly, either by setting an appropriate expiration time or removing them if they don't hold up for the wiki. In particular the character wikis are partially independent, so if you didn't do anything serious on them in particular a block for some other reason won't apply there period.

Hey, Raidarr, my best friend, are you an admin on Best TV Shows Wiki, Terrible TV Shows Wiki, Loathsome Characters Wiki and Crappy Games Wiki? I don't know if you are an admin on those Wikis.

I agree with you, Raidarr, my best friend! But, one thing. I got blocked from Loathsome Characters Wiki for harassment.

Please check my contributions pages on Best TV Shows Wiki, Terrible TV Shows Wiki, Loathsome Characters Wiki and Crappy Games Wiki.

Recently, I've been noticing that people have been removing videos from pages to reduce lag such as this edit and this one too. This got me thinking: should we define a maximum number of videos that can be in a page?

I always thought that 25-30 is a good maximum number. My phone has no problem loading around 30 videos, but when it gets to around 40, that's when problems start to occur.

Sounds like a good idea. Not too many, and not too few.

or maybe put the videos on a collapse section?

I once tried doing that, but it didn’t work.

I'd encourage people to be a little more conservative with videos in the first place, though understandably this is just a pain to enforce. Ie, focusing on videos directly supporting the topic, keeping down videos that say the exact same things, and so forth.

Some pages like Hong Kong 97 can take up over 100 MB of memory while loading, and significantly more if you load a video. Although the Hong Kong 97 page only has 15 videos.

I agree with limiting video to a maximum of like 25

Can someone in charge of Qualitipedia list all reasons on why politics should not be allowed? Because in the event of something political affects something in a negative way, then that's when it can matter. I know for a fact that China for example, has banned violent video games, and that is a political issue.

I've been contemplating making an RfC to ban political matters from Qualitipedia unless they actively damage something's quality in a certain way (ie preachiness, double standards, propaganda, etc.), but I have yet to effectively articulate what I want out of such an RfC.

How come are you not listing the reasons? That's important.

The staff probably hasn't gotten around to it yet.

The main reason such political stuff are now forbidden is that they are generally a very messy subject to tackle among the wikis. Given their previous anti-SJW background such pages with those kinds of pointers will generally revolve around their quality being based around what part of the political spectrum they affiliate with, which won't look professional as a result. Along with that having pages about political-based media &/or similar pointers are incredibly hard to back up to make it seem like fair critisism of a side without feeling like generally bashing one side. It's really the case of politics in general being such a touchy and controversial subject that warrants these pointers getting removed often nowadays. Only some rare cases such as the Battlefield V controversy that deliberately led to a part something's failure (In that case, removing historical accuracy to be more inclusive) could they be seen as acceptable and reliable enough. Given the wiki's previous flak from having such things, this is preferably something that should be moved away from for the sake of being reliable and less biased.

Besides, wikis are not about being biased and critical, and that's why I am sceptical of Qualitipedia as a whole. To be fair, there should be internet platforms for explaining and detailing why something sucks, and why something is good, but people are also allowed to comment on them as well. Wikis have no place for being biased and candid to or against something, and quite frankly, Qualitipedia as a whole, is about being critical and biased, which betrays everything on how a wiki is meant to operate.

I invite you to respond to the points I mentioned in particular. To respond to this bit, wikis have the right to be critical (or indeed take any form that they wish as there is no one universal definition, only an impression that is dominated by Wikipedia), but I agree that bias should be minimized. This is an obviously incomplete, yet ongoing effort. You can only contribute to it by addressing the problems directly, especially through examples and more specific points than expressing an overall distaste as you do here.

I do intend to publish a blog soon that more generally addresses points that hold up against Qualitipedia, and how the network intends to consider them including politics. Politics in particular I intend to treat through the lens of the below post.

Again, it is less about politics, the word as a whole, and more their role dominating the wikis in the past, including with the very bias you mention.

I mean, the Qualitipedia domains may have their place, but as long as they are handled in an objective, non-derogatory, and unbiased manner like what all wikis are, they should be fine to keep around. For example, in the case of the Atrocious YouTubers Wiki, the name could've been non-derogatory, especially the approach of the wiki itself.

That wiki is rightly closed, as are most others of their type. I don't care for the way reception wikis are named in general outside of that, but it's a concession that may as well be kept (ie, I don't think 'crappy games' is a very constructive start especially when traditionally just normal average games have been placed on it).

Then how are people going to have to easily know why if most of the YouTubers happen to be unpleasant and awful? If I were to recreate the "Atrocious YouTubers Wiki," I will not only change the title to a non-derogatory form, but also change the culture and rules of the domain, such as no longer using derogatory and biased language, instead explain the points objectively on why people think someone/the channel is poorly received. Because wikis are meant to be about knowledge and learning, and also being neutral, not about criticising and being opinionated. With all due respect, to say that wikis have the right to be critical, is simply false. Same goes with Encyclopedia books.

This is why I have said earlier, there should be a new, type of separate internet platform (let alone wikis) for listing reasons for acclaiming to criticising people and among other things, but balancing it out with comment sections. Why can't all of you in charge, do that instead?

Sounds like a review site, of which there are already many. If the users of QP want to make another, by all means. The rest is your opinion, which you are of course free to have.

I disagree, it can be a different type of critique site that lists all reasons according to a mass's opinions of something, on why something is well, or not well received. Because at the end of the day, the fact remains, that encyclopedias and wikis, are not invented under the purpose of criticising things, because that's what review sites are for.

Wikis, especially as defined by general purpose wiki farms like Fandom and Miraheze, are whatever they want to be within the boundaries of each platform's content policy. Thus they are invented for the purpose they are used for, and I've already long agreed that how they are practically used in the case of reception wikis is at best a flawed formula in need of change.

Frankly I saw this on mobile not long after it was posted and it simply was not a priority, nor does it entail an unprecedented response within three hours, nor indeed is Qualitipedia staffed in a way that a large but not emergency topic should be expected to be answered by 'top brass' within three hours as the thread's third message implied.

TigerBlazer offers the main gist. From my part it's not a question of politics, as a whole - it is not an issue for pedantry. It is an issue of a long reputation with the wikis being politically partisan in nature, obsessed with SJWs and anti SJWs in manners distracting completely from productive topics and better grounded reasons. That is the content that is unwelcome. Tactful, non-central references to various politics as reasoning is not necessarily bad to me. What Marxco suggests for an RfC is what should be the case already, where the political inclinations should offer an active and verifiable draw from the content's quality - at least as people think of it.

Thus political points should be clear, relevant, and as Tiger also indicates, notable in the media's reception. Even if the reasoning isn't perfect I would welcome a neutrally written point that brings up political controversy as something that harmed the reception of certain media, especially if properly sourced. However, such politics should be at a minimum outside of where they are relevant to a given wiki's objective. If you have an example where this principle was inconsistently or just not applied at all, please link to it.

Politics are overall way too divisive and controversial to talk about, especially due to how divided politics are nowadays.

If that's the case, then by all means, there can be a (good) politics wiki, and a (bad) politics wiki, and that way, all sides are happy.

A reception wiki around politics is actually a terrible idea.

Agreed.

Having a politically biased wiki breaks Miraheze's Content Policy and Terms of Use.

@King Dice That’s a valid point.

Political bias is not explicitly against Content Policy and has nothing to do with the Terms of Use.

That said, on basic credibility and really anywhere I think of the idea, creating wikis that are entirely dedicated to politics in the reception wiki formula does sound like an awful idea.

That would be me, but I do think Qualitipedia should talk about politics in articles a little less, as some people might get offended about a certain political topic.

that's just a typical thing of life DMM. in theory, anything you say can offend someone. there's things that offends more people (like hate speech) but if you're not bigoted on the grand scale, then having huge anxiety about everything you say or do to not offend everyone or over having a good look for everyone is silly.

I will suggest that Qualitipedia should be politically neutral and religiously neutral.

Ideally, this is the intention and partisan pointers should be removed on sight, along with a clear enough edit summary as to why of course. Articles entirely built on political, or indeed religious grounds should be reported. While it'll be rather busy today I hope to look into the ones you have referenced by the end of today or in the course of tomorrow.

Here's such a page that, even if I tried to make it less political, I'm still iffy on having.

I have considered marking it for deletion.

Actually, I think that page could stay if it was more sourced and had some obvious improvements (ex. removing the unnecessary capitalization), because the whole concept of black characters having to be played by black actors is one of the few political arguments we shouldn't remove, because it is ignoring the fact that it is acting. The only real problem is that they could be stereotypical, which really, is a different problem.

To be honest, I am getting this overwhelming sense, that while Qualitipedia has no problem being politically incorrect about things, it is being politically correct in regards to politics, which is not only hypocritical and pathetic, but it's also making it out to be a taboo subject, when really, it goes against freedom of speech.

Miraheze itself is not necessarily an outlet that permits absolute free speech anyways as well as encourages local wikis to develop a sense of where the limits are for speech that actually benefits wiki content, so ironic pedantry aside yes, you indeed have a point. Certain incorrectness causes less trouble than others.

Honestly, it's better that these wikis move away from politics, whether they're SJW-related or anti-SJW-related, 'cause stuff like that can seriously divide a lot of people.

Here we can debate, criticize, and praise politics as long as the SJW subject is strictly distanced. But at the same time, it is important to understand that social justice is not a bad term because of how positive it is, its just that some demagogues/rabble-rousers had been seeking to distort this term for years to shut down what people thinks. They have zero profession in defining words, zero. And that's how dangerous social media really is.

that's my main gist on it. both social justice and gamergate are/were campaigns with well-intended goals but mostly awful actors that justify malign stuff done to reach their goals.

How about calling them politically correct scumbags? How does that sound? Defining them as social justice warriors is just totally unprofessional in terms of trying to define them, and its abusing 'defining words.'

"politically correct" still falls under political bias territory IMO, especially with "scumbags". opposing someone based on their politic beliefs implies you have your political beliefs too.

With all due respect, there is such thing as being rightfully biased, and being wrongfully biased. PC is pretty much the latter. But the point is, why bother defining a group of people if some people are going to abuse defining? Unless you have a profession in defining words, then don't do it. Defining individuals as SJWs in a negative way is utterly unprofessional, and it's very disingenuous and divisive to define positive words as negative ones. Only a demagogue would do such a thing, and I have zero respect for them.

calling someone PC has never stopped other people from whining anyway, even if it's more tolerated than SJW. you see someone doing a small and innocent LGBTQ+ gesture, you call it PC, that someone will 70% not take it lightly. i have problems trying to understand your "defining words" argument but, wouldn't its logic apply to PC too?

"you see someone doing a small and innocent LGBTQ+ gesture, you call it PC, that someone will 70% not take it lightly."

That's totally not how I am interpreting it, because that's being an intolerant bigot against LGBTQ+ people, as well as possibly being a regressive leftist. That's the point. I'm sorry to say, but defining negative things under positive sounding words, is not just contradictory, but its totally stupid, reckless, unprofessional, and disingenuous. Only fraudulent fools think that this is for real.

At least I have nothing against the LGBTQ+ community.

Calling either side "scumbags" in a grey situation like this is bias. Even if our aim is to document the reception of works, we should still try to avoid being subjective in terms of political matters.

To be fair, you can also call them "political correctness warriors" as a non-derogatory term.

Being the biggest elephant in the room, there should be less talking about politics, and more focus on the problems based on personal bias of most people or whatnot.

Honestly about the "politics wiki" idea, I actually thought of the idea of making a negative reception wiki about politics and laws (not laws as in, the "laws" side of the wiki will be mainly criticising laws, it will mainly be stuff related to laws and when pages are about laws, it will probably only be old laws and won't be subjective or controversial [ex. anti-LGBTQ+ laws]), but it wasn't going to be like "our political views are [insert political views here] and if you don't agree with us, you're wrong", I was thinking of just talking about politicians that are proven to have done the wrong thing. However, if you don't think that's a good idea either, then fair enough.

I hope you can go back over the idea, consider the community/material involved and see for yourself the incredible issues with a wiki circled around politics no matter how much you try to gate them.

I do see how it could be problematic, but I'm still considering at least giving it a try.

Yeah, and besides, it is indeed hypocritical that whilst Qualitipedia has no problem being politcally incorrect, it is being politically correct in regards to politics. In other words, too scared to allow politics. The only reasonable exception, is religion.

It doesn't matter if you think it's scared or not. The boundaries are based on areas which have been the most problematic for the majority.

Well think of yourself this, is it reasonable to criticize religion and things relating to politics? What do you think?

In the right time and place, certainly.

In terms of Miraheze disallowing politics and religion, if that's Miraheze's problem, that's their own fault, because that way they are not only controlling people on what to do in terms of freedom of choice and speech, but also being hypocritical in the sense of allowing people to be politically incorrect about anything else, but are against people being politically incorrect about religion and politics. The very point about freedom of expression is that all of us should be able to have an opinion. As far as I'm concerned, what Miraheze is doing, is censorship, and that's a bad sign.

Besides, what we all need to understand, is that by all means, we can debate/oppose the opinions in whatever way we want, but censorship goes against freedom of expression, even if the opinions are terrible, and that is far reasonable. Censorship is not reasonable, and it interplays with controlling how people should think.

Plus, it also needs to be understood that no matter what the negative opinion are, there are always going to be some people could have an unreasonable reaction, no matter what thing it is, so it's stupid and narrow-minded to say, that politics and religion are the only ones. There's a thing called give and take, and that's something that also needs to be understood. By all means, opinions can be opposed, but there is also such thing as objectively bad or good, which is where opinion is left out of the equation.

I made a topic with him asking him to be more respectful with what an admin adds or removes from a page so that he could appeal his block sentence, but he just continues adding toxic comments, and I tried to end the discussion, because it was going nowhere, but he re-opened it and continued his behavior, and so far, no one else but me is saying or doing anything about this, and I don't even know why: https://awesomegames.miraheze.org/wiki/Topic:Wxh6xpjqi98er82s

If there's anyone, ANYONE on Qualitipedia who's brave enough to make a single response to that topic, now would be the best possible time, because I really need backup, and we admins and other users should unite and help each in times like this.

To anyone with enough courage to do anything about this: please, please, please, help me out.

Ok, I'll take over on him when I've finished a few other things.

Thanks. I really could use some support.

And I'm barely getting any for no reason.

Stop baiting Lukas with replies and you won't get burned, especially when you could have let it be him only who would be warned for disregarding the opening post. I laid out specifically how it was supposed to go in my opening message and if you decide to ignore it by diving into the mud then there is nobody who can support you.

I did try to respond to you, and you alone, Raidarr, which explains why I made that reply to you, but Lukaaa decided to turn it into a conversation between me and him and nobody else.

I've deleted two messages which both missed the point. Either of you can stop. The one who stops will look better for it. Your message is noted and right now it's all I need until I get an on-topic response from Luka.

I just replied to your recent comment clarifying the whole Xbox's lack of exclusivity thing, and I thought it was very well-written and well-elaborated on. It also makes me feel a little bit better now, and because of that, I think I'll stop taking part in that topic after my last comment. Thanks.

It's not out of the woods yet, and I think I see Luka's point. It's worth working out and making clear since like it or not, the availability of exclusives on console platforms ultimately does contribute to how they are taken, and if one is lagging behind in competition then that is something that's going to be seen as inferior. I was misunderstanding him initially.

Also, I feel kinda bad for harshly blocking him the way I did. Normally, I'd apologize to him, but now, if I say anything to him, no matter how polite I am, he'll leave an angry comment towards me. You don't think it's impossible for me to earn back his trust, do you?

Lukaaa640 shouldn't have made those unnecessary angry comments anyway.

I think if you put a show of good faith via apology it will help not only you with him, but outside observers who saw how the whole affair was handled. The principle matteras as much as what Luka might say. If Luka throws it in your face it becomes entirely his problem and I will rebuke him as such, just as long as an apology is not backhanded or digs up what caused the problem in the first place.

To me at least, it really distracts the user that is reading, how users under 18 are still able to edit those pages, it's inconsistent in each media wiki and doesn't really translates well for Moments in History. My proposal is to give it a smaller, more of a warning to sensible users and rather than "This game was rated M by the ESRB" or "This film was rated R by MPA" it should be "The content of this page may be unsuitable to readers that are susceptible and sensitive to some topics.‎" and with the ability to edit it when needed, Like:

{{Mature|Gore and violence}}

Here is my proposal in more detail

Why do we still need a mature template? It has no value, it makes us look like moral guardians, and it can be a total eyesore on pages, so I still think it needs to be deleted.

What is a "moral guardian"?

They're people who are against things they believe will corrupt children.

Okay, well, "corrupt" might be the wrong word, and out of question, do you mean all pieces of media or just ones for children? Regardless though, my point is, people have the right to criticise things for being inappropriate for children when they shouldn't be, and provided that their reasoning isn't nitpicky or biased in any way, they are in the right.

Furthermore, in the case of these wikis, if a page is about a piece of media for children, unless it has information about controversy related to inappropriate topics or there is some other necessary reason, it can and should be as appropriate as that game, and it is unnecessary for inappropriate things to be there (ex. use of profanity). Therefore, overall, children should have the right to read these wikis, and therefore should be warned about inappropriate content.

Well, it's the parents' job to monitor what a child looks at on the internet, not ours, so we really shouldn't be doing all the babysitting for them.

Nice idea, but considering a good portion of the wikis including their admins are underage we can't play on ignorance or laziness as an excuse. That said, nothing truly mature does (or should) appear in the pages. Content rating iirc is already noted in the infobox and there's no reason for descriptions to get too graphic. I'm actually leaning towards abolishing the template even though with actual description it can be better.

What about in pages such as South Park (seasons 1-19, 21-present) where one of the bad qualities is some of the disturbing content in the show. In addition, as I said before, the age rating on the infobox, in my belief, is not good enough.

If the content is explicit to the degree it requires a caution then it should be toned down in the text. In that article there are potential 'triggers', but nothing I'd consider extreme enough for the current (vague) warning format. Perhaps we could consider a tvtropes style system where spoilers or more extreme content needs a click to view.

Does Miraheze have a spoiler text extension? I know that one exists, but does Miraheze have it?

EDIT: After looking into it within my own wiki, I can confirm it does have one. Can we enable it?

Still, it is useful to have a warning so our sites don't seem completely 13/15/18+.

To make it smaller so it's out of the viewer's way, here's my idea.

I actually have a much bigger idea, see here. Although I have a different opinion to you, about moments in history pages, I have ideas about that, so you will see more information there.

Zeus' idea seems to be the most elegant for me given it doesn't insist in occupying a large spot of the article and, as Street said, isn't a total eyesore.

I thought it said it is a total eyesore? Also, infoboxes already have age ratings, so having a mature templates should be obsolete by now.

Yes, you said that. I was only citing your statement to support mine:

Zeus' template design is good because <it doesn't occupy a large spot of the article> and <isn't an eyesore>.

Street's concerns about the current mature template is that <it is an eyesore>.

That is not nearly as much of a clear warning that a Mature template is.

I wouldn't say the ratings in an infobox are a warning, but rather, basic information about a page's subject.

Well, it should be like a warning.

A while back I said that I’d change it myself, but frankly, school and my laziness took the best of me. If a designer is needed in this, I’ll be glad to help since we don’t have designer.

Actually, we kind of do, Moisty. Katsumi and his upgraded templates qualify the best for that role.

Katsumi sounds like the ideal person. We need to give him a basic description of what we want and he will do an amazing job.

I'm in favor of Katsumi designing the template, too.

I'm not opposed to both giving it a go, may the best template(s) win.

Nice. Who’s idea should I do first?

I will like to share my idea. Is smaller than the other one, translates good for both media and events and rather than being just for 18 and up, is just towards susceptible users

Warning! This article is marked as Mature! The content descriptions of this page may be unsuitable for readers that are susceptible and sensitive to some topics.‎ Reader discretion is advised.

I'm pretty sure it'll be as abusable as the NSFW and NSFL templates were.

I’ll change up the wording a little bit but I’ll get on it.

This is just a sketch, but this is my idea on how it should look. At small stop sign is good because it looks nice and doesn’t take up much room.

This is my idea.

This material is rated M by the ESRB.

This material has been rated M by the ESRB.

Game Wiki version

This material is rated R by the MPAA.

This material has been rated R by the MPAA.

Movie Wiki version

This material is rated TV-MA by the TVPG.

This material has been rated TV-MA by the TVPG.

TV Show Wiki version

This material is for mature audiences.

This material is intended for Mature audiences only.

Book and Website Wiki version. This can also be used in general.

Also, like King Dice's template, you can specify the mature content.

That's right. And because of some parts of "[BLANK] Moments in [BLANK] history" have the template, I decided to change it to "The content descriptions of this page may be unsuitable for readers that are susceptible and sensitive to some topics"

Since this topic is getting a bit old, @Raidarr: have you decided yet?

Probably drama bait. Read the whole thing and see how weird it gets, with weird topics like "censorships". Reviweing97Shows (talk) 16:07, 20 June 2022 (UTC)
Please leave closing topics such as this in public venues that are not overt vandalism or the like to the locally designated staff on each given wiki. This applies to all member wikis and to the character wikis. Thank you. Raidarr (talk) 01:07, 21 June 2022 (UTC)
Well the wikis are closed now and this is old. Money12123 (contribs | sandbox | CentralAuth) 04:15, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

As far as I'm concerned, there is something seriously wrong with Miraheze, and they have to be addressed.

In terms of Miraheze disallowing politics and religion, if that's Miraheze's problem, that's their own fault, because that way they are not only controlling people on what to do in terms of freedom of choice and speech, but also being hypocritical in the sense of allowing people to be politically incorrect about anything else, but are against people being politically incorrect about religion and politics. The very point about freedom of expression is that all of us should be able to have an opinion. As far as I'm concerned, what Miraheze is doing, is censorship, and that's a bad sign.

Besides, what we all need to understand, is that by all means, we can debate/oppose the opinions in whatever way we want, but censorship goes against freedom of expression, even if the opinions are terrible, and that is far reasonable. Censorship is not reasonable, and it interplays with controlling how people should think.

Plus, it also needs to be understood that no matter what the negative opinion are, there are always going to be some people could have an unreasonable reaction, no matter what thing it is, so it's stupid and narrow-minded to say, that politics and religion are the only ones. There's a thing called give and take, and that's something that also needs to be understood. By all means, opinions can be opposed, but there is also such thing as objectively bad or good, which is where opinion is left out of the equation.

What the hell are you saying?

This post attacks a strawman several times, I'll run through them briefly through two main points. 1. Miraheze itself is not Qualitipedia, so conflating them is unwise. But while we're on Miraheze, wikis on Miraheze as well as Miraheze itself have the right to determine topicality, what content is actually suitable for the wiki in question. Unchecked politics are generally inappropriate because especially in the modern age they are crude, argumentative, unconstructive and incredibly partisan. 'Freedom of expression' is not an unlimited right granted anywhere on the internet nor on Miraheze. Lines must be, will be, and are drawn. 2. Politics (and the even less relevant aspect religion) are uniquely disruptive in the history of reception wikis leading to content which is exceptionally problematic at a platform level and resulted in endless issues at a local level. Many, indeed most issues of their nature have already quieted down or been resolved as a result of taking an apolitical stance for QP. The strawman here is that it is not all politics or religion that are disallowed, simply either a) off topic references (admittedly, most of them) or b) overt, improperly backed up references to them (such as them unavoidably impacting public reception in a way that places the media on the wiki it ends up on). Politics and religion are not the only problematic subjects. They are frontrunners in being problematic subjects and so we might as well deal with them as such unless they strongly justify their inclusion in a particular case.

This won't change and unless you can specifically deal with it and raise the issue in a way that doesn't look like a nostalgic call back to when the wikis were close to being deleted by Stewards and the users on them made themselves entirely unwelcome for the platform with countless often ignorant political hot takes they were in no position to make and argue over, posts like this won't get you far at all.

I want to fix the template “Conditional Support”. Is that ok?

Also, it should be named "Conditional support", not "Conditional Support".

Depending on what you mean by 'fix' I'm open to it. In fact you could go ahead, we can always amend or if required revert later.

It’s not possible without rights. It has to be someone who can edit templates.

I support sandboxes that present drafts to merge into the main, which give an idea of what you want to do. Otherwise it's unclear what you intend to fix.

Alright, I’ll start tomorrow.

How do I attatch an image to a comment?

Go to upload file. From there you can upload a file. Here is how to attach it to a comment or whatever you want, as long as it’s the source editor.

This has bugging me. I think we need to make it to where pointers in regards of length should only be noted if they actually benefit or hold back the game in some way. A game that is 22 hours can be a bad thing if it's bloated and a short game can be bad if poorly paced or the developer/publisher makes the game more expensive than it should.

Games have benefit for being as short as they are. Most COD campaigns, while short, are enjoyable because of how well paced they are. The same with things like No More Heroes, Lollipop Chainsaw, Resident Evil games, etc. We shouldn't be adding pointers where the complaint is how something is only 4 hours and that's a bad thing just because. It's pretty common across both wikis and it should probably stop since, in my opinion, it hurts the quality of the pages; especially from an ousider's perspective.

I agree that length needs to be qualified and simply saying it's short isn't enough. Short by design and short for being unfinished are worlds apart as just one example.

Exactly.

I completely agree, I see this a lot on HMW, and I usually remove the pointer.

They are apparently now using the abysmal new Vector 2022 skin, but they should be using the original Vector skin. Luckily I have the original Vector skin set as my default skin but I do not always browse logged in.

Bug at a Miraheze level. Fixes are pending.

One of my biggest problems with this is the way the word “prequel” is used. A prequel is a film that was released after a film from the same franchise, but takes place before the events of the previous film. For example, Star Wars episodes I-III were released after episodes IV-VI. Many people on these wikis are getting this wrong, however. For example, on the Greatest Movies Wiki, Shrek is listed as a prequel to Shrek 2. Yes, Shrek takes place before Shrek 2, but it also came out before Shrek 2. The right word to use here is “predecessor,” not “prequel.”

Another problem is that people will count the next film from the same studio as a sequel, even if it’s from a different franchise. For example, the Greatest Movies Wiki lists A Bug’s Life as a sequel to Toy Story. Just because they’re both from Pixar, doesn’t mean they’re from the same franchise.

I just think we should stop putting this stuff in the infotables. Wikipedia doesn’t do that. They either just mention the sequel in the intro paragraph or just make a whole header about sequels, prequels, and spin-offs.

I still think that it should be in the infobox because while Wikipedia doesn't do it, that's because they add a lot more information. On reception wikis, it's more beneficial to just add a part to the infobox. Otherwise though, I agree with you, and I think that the "prequel" in the infobox should be changed to "previous game" on the game wikis, "previous film" on the movie wikis and "previous book" on the literature wikis.

So then what’s wrong with just putting sequel and prequel information in the intro paragraphs?

Oh yeah, I forgot about that. In that case, yeah, we should remove it from the infobox.

On the 13 Reasons Why page, people keep removing the Redeeming Qualities. I've also seen it on the Sad Satan page as well. While I do agree both of these pieces of media are awful, was this ever a rule? I see people constantly reverting edits on the 13RW page.

I haven't paid attention to the latter case, but the reason I see for the former is that "it endorses suicide". For the latter I presume it's because of it being banned for containing child porn. This rule is also enforced on the Cuties and Tomorrow's Pioneers pages, and while I believe there is a mutual agreement to keep good qualities off the former, I'm unsure of the latter.

Also NGL, I think that it doesn't really matter how bad something is - a film of any kind can have redeeming qualities, no matter how bad their bad qualities are in comparison to the good ones.

I made this suggestion in the discussion section on the Awful Movies Wiki, but the staff didn't respond. I think we should rename the Disney films category to just Disney, since some of the pages in the category are about events and not films. We did the same thing with some of the company categories on the Crappy Games Wiki. I also propose that we make a category for Disney's downfall.

Sorry, dude, I didn't even know that you made such a suggestion on the wiki.

Your request is now complete.

So is that a no on creating the Disney’s downfall category?

Likely.

Couldn't we just make two separate categories: Disney films and Disney history?

I think renaming the category "Disney" is a more streamlined decision since it will cover everything related to Disney from their movies to their history.

While we’re at it, can we get rid of the companies owned by Disney category? It’s just a few subcategories that are already in the Disney category.

Custom headers have really gotten out of hand on these wikis. There are some good ones out there, but most of them just feel forced and annoying. At one point there was an RfC to ban them altogether, and it failed. But I have a better idea. We can just ban non-staff wiki users from giving the pages custom headers. And if there’s a custom header they think the page should have, they can suggest it to the staff and they can decide whether or not it’s a good header to have, just like the rule for creating new categories.

That sounds like a potentially good idea, but I can imagine enforcing it would prove to be a complete pain.

How?

A lot of users will likely ignore this rule, forcing the staff to constantly seek out and undo their edits.

Especially custom headings being used in average/decent pages or Bad/Redeeming Qualities sections in formal articles.

I'm pretty sure what he means is that it would be annoying because any time you wanted to give a creative page header you'd have to call admin. That would probably get out of hand.

I'm not really sure about only allowing staff members to add custom headings to pages, since some of us, like myself, aren't really big fans of them, and a lot of pages won't even have them.

"a lot of pages won't even have them." Having custom headers on way too many pages is part of the problem.

Okay, you do have a point, but people outside of Qualitipedia have been very critical of us for not having custom headings on our pages. Remember what happened to me on SephSpace last year?

What is Seph Space?

Abominable garbage that was run by a bunch of traitors that resorted to trollism and harassment.

Well, it was fun to visit while it lasted until things went downhill for it.

It was a private wiki comprised of ex-QP members (including admins like DuchessTheSponge) who made their own reception wiki.

And Duchess was the one who banned me from the wiki last year in June, one of the reasons being the fact that I "defended the 'no custom heading rule'" at one point.

if you were banned from there for such a pathetic and irrelevant reason then i don't think it was ever a place worthy of being praised in the first place IMO

Well, the wiki was pretty welcoming to me when I first heard about it, and I hung out there with its members for a while. Not to mention that while I was still a member of SephSpace, I tried to stay out of the drama between it and the Reception Wikis.

Originally, last year, I'd planned to retire from QP and move over to SephSpace, but Inkster (using a sock account) told Duchess to kick me out of the wiki for 3 things: those being defending the rule against custom headings, removing Nintendo from CGW's Forbidden Pages list (which I didn't do, BTW), and restoring the YouTube page on RWW, despite the site being liked by a lot, which caused me to quit Miraheze entirely.

2 weeks later, however, I returned to this site, and clarified all the things I did on the Reception Wikis, which got me back into SephSpace and I even regained its members' trust until it was closed.

TBH, I'm surprised nobody ever brings this up, despite being such a big deal, and me explaining perfectly well how it went when I first got kicked out of it.

It was a private wiki here made by an ex-user named XXSeph MySpaceXx, and that wiki mostly consisted of former Reception Wiki users who left due to drama and stuff like that.

In August of 2021, SephSpace was shut down, possibly due to having had enough of dealing with too much drama on Miraheze, and the members of it defected to another site.

Given the general attitude towards custom headings among the staff, limiting adding them to staffers would essentially be like banning them. This is why I feel mixed on the idea.

Yeah, I disagree with the idea. I can see the reasoning, but still, it's annoying.

Just FYI, I'm not saying we should allow custom headings because I like them (which I don't); it's just that, like I said before, people outside of Qualitipedia have criticized us for not allowing these types of headings, and I'm trying my best to make the image of our wikis look as good as possible.

As much as I hate how most custom headers look on pages and the fact editing wars often start over them, I'm overall mixed about this decision.

I honestly prefer to get rid of custom headers entirely. They can cause a lot of drama.

And drama will also be caused if we just outright ban custom headers. It's basically a lose-lose situation.

Drama was the same reason why it took so long for us to put Nintendo on the Crappy Games Wiki, and the RfC to give them a page on there said "...if Nintendo does get a page on this wiki, then it'll be permanent, and you'll all have to accept its placement here and no amount of complaints with remove it again." I think we should say the same thing about a custom header ban if that happens.

I would disagree with that. The Nintendo page RFC was a clear success, the two custom header RFCs weren't, and probably never will be.

I believe we've tried that twice now, and it still didn't work. I am aware there wasn't really a clear consensus but regardless, it's probably going to end in the same way, and rightfully so IMO.

I've seen these Transformers-related pages on wikis like TTSW, AMW, and even BTSW, and 99% of them have custom headings on average pages as well as non-average/decent pages where custom headings are being added to the Redeeming/Bad Qualoties sections, which is against the rules of the Reception Wikis.

To everyone who's been adding these headings to those pages: stop. It's fine to add these heafings to the Why It Sucks/Rocks sections, but not on the Bad/Redeeming Qualities sections or the average pages on the negative wikis.

The next time this happens to a Transformers page will result in a block as well as a page protection. Thanks.

It might be best to temporarily protect the page now instead of waiting for it.

Maybe with Transformers Energon on TTSW, I'll do that, since that's the biggest victim of this problem, but the other pages seem to be all right for now.

Nobody who you want to see this and would be threatened by a block will actually see it. Notify the people who are actually causing the problem and avoid being heavy handed about a largely arbitrary rule, until they ignore it from clear notification. I wouldn't even bother protecting the page unless it's more than a few people causing the issue.

Also not to mention, I find this whole idea of blocking for such a minor thing ridiculous. There was also a rule in the global rules saying that you will get blocked just for putting blogs in categories, and it also reminds me of how Amazing YouTubers Wiki has a rule saying that you will immediately get blocked just for adding having a bad fandom or hatedom as a bad quality.

Both the Greatest and Awful Movies Wikis should have a directorial debuts category.

Couldn't you create that yourself?

Generally it's preferred for admins to create the category, as an organizational function. That is why he doesn't do it. I do concur that this would be best requested locally.

Also, why don't you say this on the AMW talk page instead of here?

This is for two wikis.

Yeah, but it still would be a conversation for the movie wikis only.

Lately my browser has been downloading random HTM files while browsing the wikis. These files are 0 kilobytes and have randomly generated names. The most recent one that my browser downloaded was titled "BEfawH53."

I've got more or less the same problem lately.

I'm currently using Firefox 103.0. Unlike in your case, however, it only asks me where to save the files and not download them immediately.

That's because I configured Firefox so that it doesn't save the file to the default folder as soon as it finishes downloading that file, but instead asks me where to save that file.

Files and Applications

Downloads

Save files to 📂️ DownloadsBrowse...

☑️ Always ask you where to save files

I suspect this boils down to a bug in Miraheze's servers or something.

Never had this experience.

same

At times, my browser, Microsoft Edge, a browser I have used the most on my laptop sometimes does that (If my hands were still wet, it does this occasionally).

I sure hope Miraheze isn’t distributing viruses here.

I don't think they are viruses, at least the fact that the files are blank.

Look at the discussion page on BTSW. I explained why there.

Well, I don't really have a good reason to believe people, so as far as I'm concerned, he's mostly innocent.

Okay, so I know that this is potentially beating a dead horse, but since it's not really clear and is still potentially important (given that they are still active on ShoutWiki), what is the deal with Mar9122? I get that they abused multiple accounts, but it wasn't known until they got globally locked again that they sockpuppeted (yes they were previously locked for it, but I'm pretty sure there was no actually evidence they maliciously sockpuppeted, which is one of the reasons they got unlocked in the first place), and the block summaries on these wikis reference "lots of drama and doxing." As I said I'm aware this could be seen as beating a dead horse, but it's still kind of important to verify these things for the record, and as I said, they're still active elsewhere.
Edit: Also I will mention that VosVosKitsune claimed that Mar9122 doxed her back on Fun Shitposting Wiki and that they are a pedophile (), however, there is no proof of this.

I think Vos was a girl.

I know that, TBH I don't know why I didn't say her.

I remember asking this on a deleted wiki in 2020, and everyone was like "We dont speak about this".

I think it was on incredible users and wikis wiki, on my old account.

I could be wrong but TBH I'm pretty sure these wikis have became more able to talk about past situations since then. To quote Yonydesk from a while ago, "I'd argue mentioning past scenarios in a referential sense is not gravedigging" ().

I agree. There's nothing wrong with talking about past incidents tbh.

yeah, and i still stand by my quote. i understand if it's to bring up something just to mock the user behind it (unless if what he did was extremely shitty) and not to raise anything constructive or actually rational, but we shouldn't discourage passively talking about past events; that's not "bEaTiNg A dEaD hOrSe" (yeah sorry i'm fucking tired of that phrase being thrown around in the reception wikis), that's just talk and it can be used to raise interesting retrospective points about the situation and in the grand scheme everyone ends up winning and learning something, as long as there's no significant mockery of course. there's obviously no ill intent behind so why even bother discouraging?

A lot of the evidence of what he did is long lost since a lot of the bad stuff he did was on the Outcast Network. The only evidence left that I could find is him resorting to creating vandalism-only sockpuppets, only for Void to lock all seven of his accounts: https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:Log?type=globalauth&user=&page=&wpdate=2021-03-03&tagfilter=&subtype=

Ah yes I remember the outcast network.

So... as far as we know the doxing and pedophilia thing could all be false?

It was proven that he did that stuff back then, but all of the evidence is now gone. There's these two pages about him that mention this, but both are sketchy and provide no resources:

1. https://docs.google.com/document/d/1wMP9mkuhgOMQR7o1bO3PVUZYnqc2WhCS0xyY-DiePSI/edit#heading=h.cfgdxcggh80o
2. https://encyclopediadramatica.online/Mar9122

Every single time when I finish editing, there is an infamous Pending Review, which can wait for a long time after a single edit, so can anyone please remove that situation?

i don't know about this. It happened to me too.

It also happened to me when I tried to edit the TCAGS blog on Terrible TV Shows Wiki.

That situation was established by the Moderation extension being enabled, requiring review from wiki management before the edit is made public.

You guys should've known earlier as we advertise our local Requests for Comment in all three pairs of wikis via sitenotices.

Requests for Comment/Anti-vandalism system for Qualitipedia-affiliated wikis

I'm adjusting the user group rights right now, hopefully that fixes the problem.

I've adjusted the rights on all wikis. If that doesn't fix the problem, then this system might have to be discarded if no one else has any ideas on how to make it not an annoyance.

He's not becoming a bureaucrat again, and Qualitipedia is closed.

Raidarr, our best bureaucrat, has just retired. This, paired with the new moderation extension, has officially begun a new dark age of Qualitipedia: The Moderation Era.

And who gave you the permission to decide all of this?

Decide what?

What is even sadder is he retired with unfinished business.

Now I know how TyrantRex felt when he was constantly viewing things on the wikis as an overreaction.

To call it an era is a stretch.

Retirement wise, yes. I've been falling off for some time and if I waited for everything to be finished or stable I'd be better off making QP a full time job, which doesn't interest me.

You couldn't have been bothered to make a public announcement about your retirement?

No, I find them to generally be attention seeking and it doesn't change much day to day anyway. If you wanted a place to just ask questions then my talk page is open.

I already have planned out certain portions of Qualitipedia history into "eras":

• FreezingTNT Era/Experimental Era (December 2020-June 26, 2021)
• MarioMario456 Era (June 27, 2021-September 8, 2021)
• Transitional Era (September 9, 2021-December 22, 2021)
• Raidarr Era (December 23, 2021-August 10, 2022)
• Moderation Era (August 11, 2022-present)

The rebranding officially begun in December 2020, so nothing before that is counted. I have also heard people talk about the "Allystarian Era", though I don't know when specifically that was. Also, I didn't officially join the wikis until October 6, 2020, so I don't really know much about the history prior to that.

Before that: The rebrand transition era (sept 2020 - dec 2020, the part after the UWAUW and the outcast network fell) The UWAUW era (May 29 2020 - sept 2020, after the fall of CSW, and rise of uwauw) I didn't edit miraheze before may 2020.

I am creating this in a discussion since blog posts now require moderation. Anyway I have an idea for a logo. It is an idea I have had for a while. The logo will be shaped like a four-pointed compass rose:

• The green color for the game wikis will be on the top, since they were the first wikis
• The red color for the literature wikis will be on the bottom, since they are the newest wikis.
• The orange color for the movie wikis will be on the left side, since Hollywood is located on the west side of the United States
• The blue color for the show and episode wikis will be on the right side since that is the only space left.
• In the middle will be a gray circle with the wiki's abbreviation in the middle (for the network as a whole, the grey circle will have a Q in the middle, which can be used for non-wiki specific purposes, such as the logo for the Qualitipedia discord server).
• There will be four points to the compass, and each point will be divided in half for both wikis. On one specific wiki, one of the halves of the wiki's color will be filled in, and the others will be in a faded version of each of the wikis color's, and the wiki's abbreviation will be in the center. On the central wiki, all of the colors will be filled in. The left halves and bottom halves will be for the negative wikis and the right halves and top halves will be for the positive wikis.

It is kind of hard to describe, and I have a better picture in my head of what the logo will look like rather than what I described. Since I am not a very good artist, I will invite one of you to design it.

This is actually rather neat, and worth seeing a proof of concept for.

Qualitipedia is now closed.

I think the negative wikis should have a category for media that was liked by critics, but hated by fans. We should also have vice versa on the positive wikis.

Personally, I find the whole reception group of "fans" questionable. Wouldn't fans be technically critics or part of the audience (usually the latter)? I don't really see why "fans" has to be a separate group.

Fan/general reception can sometimes clearly and wildly diverge from the opinions of professional critics. Hence a distinction exists.

Yes, but what about audiences?

What about them? Sounds like another term for unprofessional critics, public/popular reception... or (and I admit the term is a bit limited, probably why you're trying to make the distinction) fan reception.

TBH I'm not 100% sure but I believe it refers to YouTubers (with some exceptions as some are officially listed as critics) and online users on review websites.

Qualitipedia is closed, so they won't come back.

Please explain.

I'm assuming you mean the featured and good templates?

Yes.

They were deleted due to an RfC.

What templates?

Please explain (what you mean).

Question has been answered, and Qualitipedia is now closed.

Do you automatically get banned from the wiki's associated with it?

I think what you meant by getting banned from Qualitipedia is being locally (and of course indefinitely, if I interpreted the question correctly) blocked from Qualitipedia Meta (the wiki where you added this talk topic).

The answer is no. Even if our list of wikis are indeed associated, this isn't part of the literal design of Miraheze (as far as I know), it's just an imaginary association. However, getting blocked indefinitely from a Qualitiedia wiki might result in a chain reaction of admins manually blocking you across the rest of the associated wikis.

Depends on why.

Admins have cross-wiki blocked users in the past for any reason, but they are trying to stop doing that.

Doubt we'll ever find the answer, if you find evidence, add it to pages on Reception Wikis Wiki.

Who first coined the term "reception wikis"?

That's probably something that happened on the Fandom era that we'll probably never find out about.

It's pretty clear that the community has agreed to forgive them, and the wikis are now closed.

Hi, it's me. Y'know, the guy that attempted to instigate an uprising against the Wikis a year ago? I've decided to come here in light of recent events. While I still don't like the Wikis or most of the userbase (particularly admins, with King Dice being the exception) I'd like to apologize for that incident after the hatebase has been given a somewhat bad name by Elijah, the funnimanes, DeviantArt, etc. If you guys decide to go apeshit or block me, that's fine, just remember that I've chilled out and would like to negotiate civilly.

mfw the QP closure RfC is so impactful it's bringing back some of QP's old users and "traitors"

Well, to be fair, the RfC literally regards the fate of Qualitipedia itself, and is thus the most impactful RfC possible on the Reception Wikis. Of course old users will come back to cast their votes.

I forgive you, Portrock. Besides, I actually did my best to stay out of the drama between SephSpace and Qualitipedia. Luckily for you, I am a kind of person that would be willing to give others a second chance.

SuperStreetKombat is retired, the wikis are closed, the people on PRWs RFC was withdrawn, and the website wiki RFC has been created twice and its second RFC is still going.

And those are individually about banning franchise pages, reopening the Websites Wikis, and renaming Terrible Shows & Episodes Wiki and Best Shows & Episodes Wiki to Terrible TV Shows Wiki and Best TV Shows Wiki respectively.

Should I still open up each of the RfCs or should I just back out of them since Qualitipedia might close soon?

Do it while you still can.

Thanks for the advice, and all, but with the closing QP RfC still being very much active, I dunno if my 3 RfCs will get very much attention.

Why should we rename the show & episode wikis? They are fine how they are.

Well, technically, both of those wikis are primarily about shows when they were first created, and episodes were (and should be) a secondary subject like companies and channels, similar to how companies and consoles are secondary on both of the Games Wikis.

Both the web series and episodes were part of the wikis back in the day, in fact, they even had all kinds of YouTube content back then.

You haven't adressed the other 2 RfCs, by the way.

Do you really think people have a problem with everything you do? Sounds like very low self-esteem and terrible need of attention if I'm being honest.

Uh... who are you talking to?

To you. FatBurn doesn't have and doesn't need to have an opinion on the other RfCs and you don't have to force him to do that.

Who said I was forcing him (which I'm not)? I just wanted to hear his opinions on the other 2 RfCs, that's all. I'm not being forceful.

Oh-kay... that was a very bizarre (and false) accusation.

Well the website wikis actually reopening is subject to conditions that everyone is ignoring, and for as long as they do it's not going to happen.

Pretty soon I'm tempted to put them to the axe permanently since that is showing no signs of changing.

I am opposed to all three of these:

1. No, we are not banning franchise pages. There is no reason to ban them.
2. No, we are not opening the website wikis. Those wikis were inactive, and Raidarr just said he is planning to axe them.
3. Absoultely not! Putting the rebrand aside, the wikis discuss web series in addition to TV shows. If anything they should be renamed to Terrible Shows Wiki and Best Shows Wiki.

1. The reason why I think franchise pages should go is because they kinda defeat the purpose of giving each installment in a series a seperate page. Other wikis outside of Miraheze do that, so why not these ones? If I remember right, franchise pages were banned at one point during the early Miraheze days after the Reception Wikis left FANDOM. I even suggested adding franchise pages only to Crappy Games Wiki, but people somehow misunderstood and allowed them on ALL wikis, and I've regretted that suggestion since.
2. The Characters Wikis were once closed but then reopened as seperate wikis that aren't part of Qualitipedia, so I kinda thought the same should happen with the Websited Wikis.
3. That... doesn't sound like a bad idea for a rename of those wikis, I'll give you that.

That 3rd point is ABSOULTELY the most based thing you have ever said Bluba!

Oh, and I forgot to mention another RfC I wanted to make, and that is to re-allow individual pages on the positive Reception Wikis.

Appears to be resolved.

Originally I wanted to do it after the RfC ends regardless of the results but my patience has ran out. Given how I already apologized here I'd like my ban from the Discord server to be lifted (but not on the Wikis; I don't intend to crawl back to them ever). I want to reunite with my old friends and hangout on the soon-to-be lounge there after made peace with the network.

As one of the mods of the Discord server myself, I'm going to discuss with other staff members about this.

@Portrock1566Add Moisty#5936 on Discord and we’ll discuss it.

These wikis are closed now.

Hi, I'm UnboundBeartic. I've been a viewer of Qualitipedia for a long time. Today I decided to make an account and join Miraheze.org and Qualitipedia. However this is my very fist and only account on Miraheze. I'm hoping that I'll become a legitimate unlocked user in the near future. I hear that Qualitipedia has a strict Anti-Van program that requires users to wait before editing. How exactly does this work. Could you help me since your an Admin? If your unlocked on Qualitipedia are you unlocked on all of it's wikis or do you have to get them unlocked separately?

I'm not an admin, but I think you'll be unlocked automatically when moderators approve 10 of your edits on a Qualitipedia wiki. It only applies to that wiki, however.

Bukkit removed moderation.

Note that moderation is only disabled for this wiki. It still applies for the other wikis in Qualitipedia (I think).

How often do the admins approve edits that are pending approval.

I would presume as much as they can, but that may not be a lot.

The wikis are staying closed.

Hi Quadpedia. The Discord server has been rebranded, and that's cool (even though it will take me a long time to get used to). Everything is going fine. A few hours ago, someone asked why we can't give the wikis to the creators of Bad Webcomics Wiki. His reasons are

1. The work there is pretty professional and rather than writing pointers, the write like blogs or websites like IGN and GameSpot or even the earliest revisions of Plumbers Don't Wear Ties (as pointed out by Theresnoname).
2. Bias close to non-existent. Sure, some pages will mention stuff like SJW but they keep that minimum because the main focus is criticizing the product and not being politically biased (like QP with SJWs).

I agree with this idea. And your opinions guys?

No.

Heck no.

I agree with this idea too.

Look here how such a page could be written, and put this into your opinion: https://crappygames.miraheze.org/wiki/User:Theresnoname/sandbox#Plumbers_Don%27t_Wear_Ties_(Newer-style_page)

I forgot to mention one thing: Carl Filip also agrees with this idea.

1. How do we know that they want that?
2. Bukkit is already planning on moving these wikis elsewhere, so we don't need to give them to anyone for right now.

Discord exists, dude.

What do you mean?

We talked about this in the Discord server, FatBurn.

Who is "we"?

retrogamer999, Carl Filip, Theresnoname and me.

Although Theresnoname disagrees with this idea.

Three people, none of which are staff, having an agreement about something does not mean there is clear consensus to do this.

That's why i asked if you guys agree or not with this idea.

Then what was the point of your comment in the first place?

The comment where i explained the reasons or Carl Filip's opinion?

The comment where you said "Discord exists, dude."

What i meant is that you didn't know who and where it was said, that's why i said that.

Yes, but what relevance does that have to the comments I made?

That's a good question. I can't awnser that. You defeated me.

Hasn't been commented on in a month, and there is an RFC.

when I noticed that the website wikis were closed I was so angry because I actually liked those wikis, I know they were closed because of a RfC that was sucessful, but I was one of the users that was against the idea of closing them.

Here are my reasons why closing them was a mistake:

1.- Those wikis had good articles: A good amount of articles in those wikis were good like the Disney+ and Netflix articles in fresh websites wiki, the InfoWars, Goop and NFT articles in Rotten Websites Wiki. Those articles had good criticisms and were very detailed. not only that but they are also very informative and RWW made me know more about the bad side of the internet.

I planned to make an article about Pluto TV on FWW, and making more articles could make more people visit the website.

2.- Their articles on other wikis would be too out-of-place: at some point of July someone imported the TikTok article to Terrible Shows and Episodes wiki, which is a bad idea since TikTok is a website, not a TV channel.

Importing articles from the website wikis is not a good idea since they talk about websites and the website wikis are the only place to talk about them, it is just like when there were articles about YouTubers in the gaming wikis which were out of place since those wikis are for Games and Consoles only.

3.- Anyone can source the articles: A few days before the website reception wikis were closed I added sources to the Goop article, we could add sources to more articles just like how I added plenty of sources to that article.

It is just embrassing how almost no one did that.

4.- Admins could be more active, or we could have more admins: I once saw a page criticizing the Qualitipedias for having poor quality control, I think that we need to have more quality control, I once had to make an admin delete a malicious comment in an AMW article since nobody has done it, we always need to delete malicious comments, revert vandalism and block the users who do that since not deleting them could give us a bad name or even make the wikis shut down.

We could improve the articles, or even delete poorly made articles since the other qualitipedias also have bad articles on them but sadly sometimes nobody does anything about them.

Because of this, I think the website wikis should be reopened since they were closed by the admins of those wikis, not the Miraheze Stewards

My opinion about the wikis:

I think Rotten Websites Wiki was better before June 2021 because the pages related to internet movements and people were very informative and were really good for most of the time, thanks to that wiki I became more careful with the internet, I didn't really liked the idea of having pages that focus more in the userbase rather than the site itself, even if they had valid criticisms about them.

Even if Fresh Websites did not had too much activity as the other wikis, it had some good articles like the HBO MAX and Amazon Prime Video articles, I even wanted to create my own articles.

I agree that it should be back, and I think it's annoying that the ShoutWiki version is being revived into what it was supposed to be all because of its closure.

2. can be corrected by not shoehorning pages where they are poor fits. 4. suffers from a critical lack of volunteers. We'll have to agree to disagree on the merits of the wikis overall. I didn't find the articles you mentioned particularly impressive and there are infinitely better ways to 'let you know about the bad side of the internet'.

the other time I had to make someone ban a malicious user on Best Shows and Episodes wiki back in july, we always need to report malicious users to the admins, the option of banning users exists for a reason.

All the wikis have good articles, and let's not forget that the other wikis also have bad articles too.

I think the Websites Wikis should be reopened and become independent Reception Wikis like the Characters Wikis did.

It was not originally my idea but it can happen.

They were fundamentally flawed, but I don't mind if they are brought back but not affiliated to QP.

I left a wide open door for them to get their shit together and be restored on that basis. That offer never expired. However, simply reopening without remotely addressing their issues is the lazy answer that will simply recreate the problem.

I am aware of their issues, but I can fix them.

Reopining them while disowning them is a great idea.

I feel like these should be reopened, but not as a jigsaw piece of Qualitipedia, similar to the character wikis.

that is exactly what I want!

You can an RfC about this if you want.

This should have been a blog.

I love these but it is time to depart. Its cause they REMOVED the Garbage Roblox Games Wiki as a whole. It's also because I am not the best user and there is no way to revive these wikis.

So goodbye. Anything you like to ask? Respond here.

This is not the end of Qualitipedia, but a change to another place.

The wikis are closed now.

Hi, I'm UnboundBeartic. I created an account to make good-faith edits for instance, I want to build up the Dragon Quest games on the awesome games wiki. I want to add the Twilight sequels to the awful movies wiki. Plus I want to add Dragon Quest Your Story to the awful movies wiki. Please unlock me. Judging by rate at which my edits are being reviewed I doubt I will ever be accepted by the current bureaucracy. So can the admins 100% unlock me from the Anti-Van program. I promise I'm not a troll.

You aren't blocked.

They're talking about being unlocked, not unblocked. They would like to edit without moderation.

User is no longer active on this wiki.

Where is this in the MediaWiki CSS? I did a search but I couldn't find it.

I don't see a need to continue this.

I'm thinking I might create a wiki about deleted scenes in film and television. Any important pointers I should keep in mind?

In your wiki request, be very descriptive of what you're going to cover. I generally always decline wiki requests with less than a sentence or two in their wiki request. Also pick a descriptive subdomain, not something generic like "movies" or "tv" as that'll 100% be declined. Before making a wiki request, make sure to read the Code of Conduct and Content Policy which both tell you want Miraheze expects from you as a wiki admin and what can happen if you don't follow the rules.

He's blocked now, and he can't involve in Qualitipedia-related discussions on Miraheze Meta, so if this still needs to be said because of something happening on another wiki, it should be said on that wiki.

Yes, I know he's a disruptive user who's done a great many questionable things in the past, with the recent one being his apparent obession with Qualitipedia, despite its current state and inevitable closure, but please don't send any hate towards him, like, please don't send him any death threats, hate messages, doxx him, or even harrass him at all; it'll only make matters worse for all of you and bullying him won't make you any better than he is.

This includes you, @GyrineZ and @War Incarnate, as well, since you two have been extremely toxic towards Bluba and acting like that to him or any other user makes you look just as bad, if not worse than him, so I politely ask that you lay off him with your nasty replies to him or you'll get in big trouble.

And what I mean by that is that while admins like Zangler or Bukkit are no longer here to deal with toxic users, Stewards like @Dmehus or the like might come in and give you a warning about your behavior and Miraheze's Code of Conduct, and may say that he'll block you if you continue that kind of attitude towards Bluba, so do your best to maintain a healthier behavior in the future. Thanks.

I'm still here, not that active but I'm still here.

I'm still here too what you onto bro :face_with_raised_eyebrow:

Okay.

I just wanted to comment a little.

Dmehus is not a steward. You can find a list of current stewards here. They are observing the wiki but not intervening until closing the primary RfC. Given nobody wants to manage this dump they might have to be the ones to take action. But since there are still people with powers I would say this.

Bluba should be blocked. He is obsessive, incompetent and frankly disruptive and has been given far too many fair chances. Before Fatburn rolls in with his shpeel - it is not a personal attack, it is a fact based on his actions and 'planning'. GyrineZ and War Incarnate should be formally warned; last chance. HeavenSmile's railing about toxic users is ironic because if someone was keeping up with that he should be on the hitlist right after Bluba for his antics. A block for at least several days would be the least he should get from his behavior. DuchessTheSponge should be warned for similar but less extreme reasons as GyrineZ and War Incarnate. Throwing out someone's real name even if yes, you can find it with basic research is a jackass move. jrStudios should grow up and cease the pitiful self flagellation, it only looks silly and is obviously attention seeking. All listed users need to move on and do something better with their lives.

Bluba's antics in particular however is evidence why this charade needs to stop. Get a glock and double tap this broken horse while it's down so you can find a more healthy stable.

I agree with all of this. Currently, I’m trying to ignore Bluba as much as possible.

I’ve just got one question: When do you think Bluba might be banned?

( I know you aren’t part of the staff, but I’m just wondering if you have a good estimate. This is probably a stupid question. ).

I am not in contact, and cannot provide an estimate.

It would be rather pointless to block me given that all eight wikis will be closed in 5 days.

I still feel that Bluba should be warned, not blocked. Most of their previous blocks were unfair. Ones after their unblock in September 2021, if not after their block changes in December 2021 are fair enough, but most of Duchess and MarioMario456's blocks were unfair.

I agree with this as my warning(s) on Bluba's talk page were too harsh, but it doesn't change the fact that Bluba's behavior is so disruptive it is compared to a disgruntled at best.

Okay, no offense but I think you had enough mini-modding for the day. Honestly, while your warnings to him sound justified, you don't even have the admin rights to give him warnings or even block him so I suggest that you inform the admins and moderators about troublesome users so that they'll be the ones to warn them next time.

Okay, maybe I take back about what I said about blocking him on one of my comments. The wikis are about to close in a few days so it isn't really worth it to give him one.

I agree. In fact, Bluba should be blocked for two weeks. That way, we won't have to deal with his obsession over Qualitipedia.

Just so you all know that I'm not a fan of Bluba or his actions, and we're not really friends per se (no offense to you, Bluba), but lately he's been getting harassment from other users, and I don't think anyone, regardless of their antics, deserves to be bullied that way in any shape or form, since that doesn't make them look any better than he is, so this whole topic is my warning to those who've been harassing him.

To be fair I don’t see any point of blocking him now, it’s not really like the wikis will be open for much longer

While I'm also not a fan of Bluba's actions either, I have to agree that users shouldn't even harass him since that's just wrong and doesn't make one better.

You don't have to agree with each other but making abusive attacks is where the line is drawn. I would like to see the users who have made such attacks apologize to Bluba asap.

Glad I wasn't involved in this. It just felt like your average Qualitipedia drama that I've witnessed countless of times. It kinda reminded me of how SaveCartoonNetwork had a similar experience where he was harassed just for making a lot of questionable/opinionated blogs on Terrible TV Shows back in late 2019-early 2020 (somewhere around that time), which in turn, right before that, was similar to how Wage back on FANDOM (known as EmoticonRules!) used to behave during his early days of contributing to Qualitipedia. Seems like history is only repeating itself...

Should have been a blog.

Hello. I just created this account and you don't know me, but this is over so might as well get this over with...right?

So I have decided to leave (even though I never created an account and just read the pages) because of these reasons:

1. lack of interest - I first discovered RWW and Qualitipedia in 2020, and let me tell you, I was so amazing reading which things were good and bad, and I was convinced and followed them. I was 12 years old at the time, and since then, I have outgrown it quickly and find them to be boring. Also, this leads into my next reason:

2. Personal stuff - Since I am 14, they assign a lot more homework in high school, and in that case, I can't really read these. Even when i finish, I just play video games so what is the point in finishing to read the pages if I' not gonna read them

3. The stupid ban reasons that made me laugh - Proof that the vandals will never stop until they get what they want

4. Politics - The anti-SJW pages on CGW are blatant propaganda against them. I don't mind them, but these are just forcing your political agenda down people's throat's. Little bit hypocritical since you guys are neutral.

5. Drama - There are so many arguments and fights that it results in me laughing my ass off seeing these.

6. Waning hope - Ever since the RWW and FWW were closed before in August 2021, I have started to lose hope in these. I mean, sure there are very good and funny article's, and people are interesting, the only that said the nail in the coffin was that TigerBlazer mentioned in her departure that 80% of the wiki users are toxic.

7. Blog posts being restricted to autoconfrimed - The reason why I am typing this in discussions.

That is the reason I decided to leave.

If you want to find me, I am active on discord and FANDOM with these usernames:

Discord: Loving#1347 FANDOM: Lovinghaydeisaac1224

Other than that, see ya.

another one bites the dust

You don't need to worry about this.

How do i get confirmed on this wiki in order to access the sandbox to establish drafts? I wanna try making pages of shows/episodes i want to share about. Maybe hopefully before or after Qualtipedia performs server maintenance, but yes i've been new on this wiki for a few months now.

These wikis are closing soon, so I'm not sure if it's worth worrying about - perhaps you should move to the New Reception Wiki.

No need for any more comments.

So I put “The End…” on my user page on all the qualitipedia wikis. Tomorrow when I wake up, these wikis will be likely already be gone. Even though I was a strong supporter of the rfc, I’m still happy about all the good moments that have happened, even though the bad probably outweighs the good, thank you… There doesn’t need to be any revivals of these wikis, that won’t solve anything, I suggest other users do similar with their user page. It’s time to move on, goodbye qualitipedia…

So qualitipedia has fully closed a few minutes ago, for real this time.

Also I really did not expect me to be the one that made the last edit ever on the first reception wiki.

I'll surely miss you, as your redemption was one of the most pleasant surprises.

Yeah, Well to be fair, it’s been over a year since I’ve left. I changed over time, unlike a certain user.

When I saw the rfc, I remembered what I caused on these wikis back when I was very active on them, so I thought it’s time I help set things right, rather than continue to be apart of what has harmed miraheze’s reputation.

This would fit better in a blog, and no one has commented here.

This is probably the last time I'll look at QP Meta. Thank you for an unforgettable experience, for better or for worse. I'll still be active on Miraheze, but not on Qualitipedia. Goodbye everyone!

ATGW has been closed.

I'm considering shutting down Atrocious Gameplay Wiki on Miraheze.

Just go to Special:ManageWiki and set closed with a reason.

I already figured it out, but thanks.

Everything that should have been done has been done.

Without lock only or read only?

And just private or blank them?

That is the plan. In 6 months time they will be deleted, presumably by a Steward.

Sure. I want to pretend these wikis didn't exist.

If you saw the RFC, you'd know why. There were notices on all wikis, so you had the chance to vote. Now they're closed and they're not reopening.

Just why, why were all these wikis closed, It just doesn't make sense

Did you not see the RFC?

No, the what now?

The RFC to close Qualitipedia.

TL;DR. I don't understand what's going on. Whats project closure?

There was a Requests for Comment (RFC) that proposed closing Qualitipedia, and the RFC was successful.

But why though, I thought a lot of people liked these website

A lot of people do, but more people wanted it closed.

Keep in mind though that I'm Autistic. I haven't talk to others that much unless whenever I go out to work.

Well, That's too bad. It was fun talking to users on those wikis as well as creating pages on them. Keep in mind, I only created a few back then such as Power Rangers Time Force, Cyberchase, The Wonderful 101, The Transformers: The Movie (1986) and Ori and the Will of the Wisps.

See Project closure.

That doesn't explain it

How?

What are you gonna do? I don't understand.

We literally announced the proposal all across the Wikis for the entire run. How out-of-touch can you be?

Exactly.