Requests for Comment/Closing Qualitipedia

What's this RfC about?

It's no big mystery that Qualitipedia is in a really poor state, with the staff and the userbase in general declining more and more as time goes on. However, there's a second reason that's even bigger, and is problematic for Miraheze as a whole. Let's go over these two reasons as to why QP is better off closed at this point:

The problems with QP itself

The Overall Purpose of These Wikis

I have begun to see the wikis as of late as a network that is not only a mess, but can’t even get its own concept right. People have said many times the Discord server is the better place so hanging there is much more common. And from my observations, this leads to the wikis getting barely any attention from administration despite Discord being necessary to actually communicate.

On the subject of the Discord, it’s been mentioned many times that the wikis aren’t made to be reliable. This directly clashes with the idea of using reception and pointers to explain why something is good or bad. And at the same time almost all pages are written from someone who likes or dislikes said media. So it’s actually never from an unbiased viewpoint (and the wikis constantly push users to not be biased with their claims) unless the page is written by someone who actually hasn’t consumed said media and did their research. But why try to write from an unbiased view when they aren’t meant to be for useful information? The perceived point is to write pages to discuss why the general audience liked or disliked something. But this said perceived point seems to have have been deliberately rejected. So it ends up with a clusterfuck of people trying to be “professional” about it and people who just write to gosh about their experiences. TigerBlazer (talk) 14:16, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

Failed Attempts at Improvement

For a long while we have been giving people false hope about the future of these wikis. Ever since June of 2021, people like TigerBlazer and Raidarr have stepped up to point out the flaws that existed in the foundation of Qualitipedia. However, for every problem that was fixed, new ones continued to come about afterward and still do to this day.

No thanks to a growing userbase and declining staff integrity, several toxic aspects are allowed to fester like biased page writing (which is unavoidable due to the structure outlined in the above section) and people constantly fighting over how to edit. The fact that this is something that occurs frequently on these wikis goes to show how unstable things have become despite reform proposals. Additions made to correct these mistakes (the moderation extension, altering the front pages, etc.) have been met with mixed reception at best and are highly contentious at worst. The broken system even allowed for incompetent admins to rise to power and make things worse. It's gotten so bad that even those that once tried to salvage the wikis (ie the names I mentioned above) have grown jaded and are quickly losing hope. Even Grust, the one who started the original reception wiki line, declared that he was through with the wikis after an incompetent admin blew a comment out of proportion and twisted it to make Grust look like a pedophile (this happened as Grust was wary of QP's reform and was willing to bail should any drama occur). To summarize, Qualitipedia has become top heavy with a buttload of problems, and whatever we try to relieve ourselves of these problems is outweighed by a continuous growth of issues, so it would be best to put these wikis out to pasture and help Miraheze's reputation heal. Marxo Grouch (talk) 16:36, 27 August 2022 (UTC)

The problems Miraheze has been facing

This is the main reason for why they should close. Miraheze, the ones hosting the QP wikis, has been facing a rather huge burden ever since QP moved to Miraheze. Their reputation has been tainted pretty badly because of the wikis, with a lot of people now hating Miraheze itself even though they have no involvement with QP aside from hosting them, and a lot of QP's problems getting blamed unfairly on Miraheze. For example, this blog is claiming that Miraheze needs improving, yet all of the pointers are about QP and not Miraheze. Agent Isai, one of the Miraheze stewards, sent a DM to Bukkit detailing PR issues Miraheze has been facing because of QP, particularly people mistaking Miraheze for Qualitipedia and harassing the Miraheze staff as a result. This message can be seen here.

Another problem for Miraheze is that a good majority of vandalism, suckpuppeting, LTAs, etc. originate from QP, especially from insanely persistent vandals in the past such as -abigblueworld- or RollOverTheFloor. One example of this being acknowledged in addition to many other mentions about this is in this RfC on Miraheze Meta. Miraheze staff members having to intervene and undo vandalism from types of accounts on the wikis is also a fairly common occurrence. In fact, vandalism at one point got so bad on the show wikis that one of the Miraheze staff had to watch the wikis for a while. While this isn't much of an issue anymore thanks to the moderation extension, the extension has unfortunately proven to be rather unpopular among users and even some staff and will likely get removed in the future via RfC. By removing the moderation extension, it will result in vandalism becoming a problem again, making the situation with the extension to be a lose-lose situation in the end.

I'm sure there's other smaller factors aside from the two biggest examples I've mentioned, but hopefully you all get the message about the trouble Miraheze has been facing. I know that closing QP isn't going to be easy, but it hasn't been easy for the Miraheze staff to keep them up either due to all of the problems they face because of QP, and by closing QP, it would take a lot off of their plates. --Blazikeye535 (talk) 23:08, 29 August 2022 (UTC)

Votes

Support

1. Strongest support: As proposer. Also, a little heads up: regardless of this RfC's outcome, I will retire from QP. --Blazikeye535 (talk) 22:51, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
2. Strongest support Per every reason provided in the RfC. I think Miraheze is better off without Qualitipedia. --Zeus (talk|contribs|accounts|email|Board) 23:27, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
3. Strongest support: Per my contribution to this RfC, everyone here has been living under false hope. Even when we tried making improvements to Qualitipedia, new problems continued to come about. Many of them have been allowed to fester and have grown so bad that more and more people have been leaving the wikis (there have been six staff resignations in August alone, including myself). This doesn't bode well for the future, as I am thinking this cycle will continue should the wikis stay open. Not to mention the wikis' losing struggle to find purpose, claiming to not be a reliable source yet trying to justify where a work goes when the pointers will always be from one person's POV. Hell, even the Miraheze staff want to get Qualitipedia off of the platform to end the negative press they've been receiving because of QP. Frankly, this is because "QP = Miraheze" is dominant among outsiders, made very apparent by this blog post. These wikis have become too much trouble nowadays, so putting them down would be a huge load off everyone's backs. Marxo Grouch (talk) 23:27, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
4. Strongest support Being a problem that affects the platform where it's hosted on makes me wanna vote support. Skeletacean (talk) 00:25, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
5. Support QP always claims it's tryna improve, yet it hardly ever improves. Maybe this move is for the better. DarthMaul570 (talk) 00:50, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
6. Strongest support:After all these years, they still kinda feel like a drama pit, and these sites make us all look like enterbots, I mean, Atrocious YouTubers Wiki had one of the worst reputations out of all wikis, and it even got to the point where they had to close Atrocious YouTubers, Toxic Fandoms & Hatedoms, Rotten Websites, and so on and so fourth, I mean, those sites were already bad enough, and on topic of being bad enough, people outside Miraheze view the wiki farm as a place for enterbots, and therefore, I feel like if these sites close, Miraheze as a whole can become better. RoboticBloxxer (talk) 02:45, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
7. Support I know I retired from Qualitipedia a few days ago as shown on my blog here, however, I think it's good to give it a shot to do my final RfC vote here before actually doing it for good, so here's my statement on this: Qualitipedia has overall tarnished the reputation of Miraheze as a whole to the point even the Miraheze staff themselves wanted to get them off their platform as pointed out by Marxo above, which leads to people associating that "QP = Miraheze", in fact, any types of "improvement" that was done to these wikis simply damaged and fucked it up even more, which is one of the reasons why I lost hope for Qualitipedia nowadays (but not Miraheze themselves), and that the userbase obviously isn't any better, although I was planning to abstain this as I felt it wasn't ready at first. 03:00, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
8. Strongest support This is probably gonna be my ONLY Qualitipedia edit of 2022 but I wanted these wikis gone so bad and I felt bad for accusing the founder of pedophilia and then getting cancelled, these wikis were stressful and it's hard to make pages sometimes. There is a this and that and even then, I got stalked on DeviantArt because of them, so in conclusion I want them gone. Besides, I moved to Reddit and Fandom and those sites are beyond better in my personal side, I want Miraheze to be it's own wiki farm and NOT for opinions. We have legit reviewers and review sites for a reason and these wikis are far from redeeming. DuchessTheSponge (talk) 03:00, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

   Weak support Honestly, with these issues, the closer makes sense. However, this is just cutting ties from people who are constructive editors, including me. The wiki needs to be like Wikipedia if I’m honest, and wikis are NOT supposed to be reliable. Wikis are kinda a hobby for me and I don’t want them all erased. In this case, I rather move QP to a new wiki hosting site, or even move back to Fandom as we got of the majority of the political bias removed. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 04:25, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

   An additional note I want to point out is that if this RFC passes, there can be talks to bring some wikis back independently without involvement of QP, like with the character and toys wikis. For example, if the TV Show and Movie wikis both get reopened shortly after closing, I'm interested in having the rights to those wikis. Just independently though like I said. This is because I have an interest in screen content. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 07:19, 31 August 2022 (UTC) Changing to an oppose. Explained below. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 17:25, 31 August 2022 (UTC) ANOTHER UPDATE: After what the founder of QP said, my thoughts have tragically changed. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 20:07, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

9. Strongest support Even if I still worked on Qualitipedia, I might plan to retired Qualitipedia soon once it was shut down, since this ruined the reputation of Miraheze for its drama baiting. LancedSoul (talk) 05:14, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
10. Support It wouldn't hurt for me to see Qualitipedia go. I already explained everything in better detail on my resignment blog, but the place is just nothing but toxicity. I mean, don't get me wrong, I've met some great people here, but then I've also met some irritating ones too, like MarioBobFan, SonicFTW, RickERB23, etc. Every bit of hope I once had for Qualitipedia is completely gone now. My hope for the place was long gone before August happened, but when I did leave back in August 10, I had a tiny bit of hope that maybe it would improve itself, but turns out that wasn't the case at all, if anything, Qualitipedia has just gotten 10 times worse since I left. And at this point, I can't see it digging out the rabbit hole that it is stuck in now. JigglypuffGuy04 (talk) 06:08, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
11. Weak support OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH my God. Idk what to think of this... I'm only supporting this because that way, it wouldn't put everyone under much stress regarding all the flooding of sockpuppets, lack of moderation and recent drama that's been happening. If it happens then that's fine. I'm not worried. We've been at sake of trying to improve the platform for the better and nothing's come out of it. And seeing how the population is reducing a lot lately, I can see why this is put in place. It is kind of a risk though, because, yes, there is the Discord server, but apart from that, then what does that leave us with? What else is in front of us? YouKonade 10:27, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
12. Strongest support I was initially unsure about even casting a vote, since I felt I wasn't qualified or in good enough standing to do so, but after sleeping on it I've decided to go ahead. This is from the perspective of someone not in the Qualitipedia community, but instead someone who uses non reception wikis on Miraheze and has seen the effects they have directly and indirectly caused. I'm not going to attempt to explain these issues, last time I did I was really immature about it, but what this RFC says is exactly what I think and I agree entirely with it, hence my strongest support. Excuse me for how long this turned out, I'm passionate about how I feel about this.

    • The point I agree most with the shutting down of Qualitipedia is the one that addresses that the wikis have damaged Miraheze itself. Its own host. The Discord message by Agent Isai has really stuck out to me, and it's a point some of the opposers to closure may have not noticed or fully understood. Qualitipedia/reception wikis are damaging Miraheze's PR due to their actions and the amount of problems. Some uninformed people even call them 'Miraheze Reception Wikis', 'Miraheze Wikis' or even simply 'Miraheze' all of which are not only wrong, but bordering on misinformation. Yes, it's misinformed, and people are wrong to think this, but the blame cannot just be put on them being misinformed, and it can't be put all on the user reception wikis/outcast network, because they are long gone in their concrete form, but the hate Miraheze gets as shown by Agent Isai's Discord comment clearly hasn't gone. No matter how you slice it, Qualitipedia and the rest of the unbranded reception wikis are bothering Miraheze to this very day.

      Checking the steward's and community noticeboards, which is supposed to be the centre for everything on Miraheze, you'll see as the archives pile up just how many times Stewards have been pestered by reception wiki users bringing drama to the Meta wiki and making it staff's problem, sometimes outnumbering requests like translation help, extension help, general wiki questions, intervention when users accidently delete rights group and need stewards to add them again, etc. Nobody's perfect, everyone needs help sometimes, but when it's this much from a small percentage of wikis, then it's worrying. And that's nothing to say of the amount of vandalism that the stewards have to deal with from these wikis. I've seen how much has to get reported. Literal lists of users. I know Qualitipedia isn't the only place that ever gets vandalised. One way or another, every wiki does. It's the sheer numbers. As far as I know, reception wikis only take up a small percentage of the number of wikis Miraheze hosts, yet issues related to them outnumber a lot of other wikis. This goes for the Wiki Requests Queue as well. I have seen users attempting to restart or duplicate reception wikis, and no matter how many times they are rejected, they still keep getting requested. It's not fair on stewards, it's not fair on other users, and it's not fair on the wiki creators.

      You know what else it's not fair on? Miraheze. As a wiki farm. I have never experienced one major issue so far with Miraheze technically save for database errors, but those got fixed quickly. I wouldn't call it perfect, but it's miles better than Fandom. I'm not going to sugarcoat this, I think Fandom is hot garbage nowadays. Every update seems to make it worse. But Miraheze? It's getting better and better with every new version. The amount of customisation, extensions, general freedom wikis have, all of which unpaid and ad free, is astounding, and I'm shocked Fandom is even still standing. So it's really unfair Miraheze has to take responsibility for this. It's kind of a cruel, sick joke, actually. The farm did nothing to deserve this, they only hosted them. And this is what it gets in return? Bad PR? In the world of wikis, Miraheze should be getting recognition for how good it is. But instead, it's being scorned and looked down upon just because of wiki networks who have to be so problematic - and loud about it - that it breaks the very boundaries it stands on. It's an injustice. I have never once heard of any other case of wikis actively hurting the farm they are hosted on. They didn't even take over the reputation of Fandom. Miraheze deserves to be recognised as wonderful, the standard that all wiki farms should aspire to be, and not considered one giant reception wiki, not Reception Wiki Land, not having to take responsibility for every word that reception wiki users write. It's absurd.

      Consider this. Miraheze lives on donations, not ads, to be a free service. I'll be donating to them myself. If Miraheze was permanantly associated with reception wikis and all the trouble they've brought to the table, what if people no longer donated because they thought Miraheze was responsible? Donations probably come from older and wiser people, but rumours and misinformation can be devastating. Without donations, all of the wikis would close, not just Qualitipedia.

      This is for the people opposing the shutdown of the wikis because they like them or they think they can improve - by wanting them to stay because you like them, you're letting the wikis stay a burden on a farm, stewards, wiki creators and other users that they don't deserve. If you cared about Miraheze, about how other people feel, you'd let the QP staff remove them from this service. Raichu's Endless Nights (talk) 12:19, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

13. Strongest support I think it's best to close them, because even if we try to improve them, i very highly doubt it will work, As the years go by the wikis are kep getting worse. Mr. Dready (User Talk:Mr. Dready|talk]]) 2:42 PM, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
14. Strongest support You are absolutely right on this point and I agree with the closure of Qualitipedia, which unfortunately we are unable to make this place ever better. I would like to say right away that these Wikis have also been fused by me, that due to many of my bad decisions in terms of articles management and my immature behavior towards some od the users. But the main reason I don't see the point for its existence is because absolutely every article is not objective - the truth is that everything we wrote was based on our opinions or someone else's. Even if you want to keep the concept of crappy/awesome media, the definitive solution would be removing the whole Why It Sucks/Rocks and Redeeming/Bad Qualities sections from any single article because as I said, it's subjective. Everyone who still visit Qualitipedia, should use their own brain to make your own opinion, instead od relying on someone else's opinion. Peace. —Allistayrian (💬) 14:48, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
15. Weak support These were the very wikis that got me into Miraheze as a whole [via the now-closed Rotten Websites Wiki], all the way back in 2020. Seeing this RFC two years later, to close the very wikis that got me into reading wikis... well, I'm mixed on it, especially since I've personally liked what this wiki has to offer and they've given me insight into a variety of things, helping me form opinions I wouldn't have otherwise. However, even as someone who's not a contributor [past or present] and instead relegates themselves to reading these wikis, I've seen how far the wikis have fallen, and how much their flaws have shown and will continue to show/get worse for as long as they stay open. I've been on the Discord, and many people there sure as hell don't have a positive impression of these wikis. Understandably so, for issues that people [past contributors and current longtime ones] have pointed out before me [i.e: bad userbase, a LOT of drama, a fundamentally flawed purpose that it can't even succeed at, you get the idea]. And while a lot of the bad press Miraheze gets because of this wiki farm is frankly people being unreasonable [again, pot calling kettle black], the fact it's even happening in the first place simply speaks volumes on how much of a bad state these wikis are in. Admittedly, I am thankful for the fact that there will be an XML dump of this wiki so that nothing is lost forever [should this RFC pass], and I hope to see them on a different host someday, but sometimes the only path to victory is through loss. This is one of the few times I feel that it is what must be done, especially given the magnitude of the issues here. War Incarnate (talk) 16:52, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
16. Strongest support I think closing Qualitipedia is a best idea since this wiki has a ling history of drama caused by a bunch of users who insults each other, criticise any people for things an everyday person does and making pages based on their personal view Jo86775869754 (talk) 17:19, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
17. Support - change da world my final message. Goodbye Juan90980 (talk) 16:42, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
18. Strongest support I have moved on from the wikis a long, LONG time ago and am mostly focusing on other things now. However, these wikis have not only ruined the reputation of Miraheze itself, but have participated in witchhunts (i.e: Ducchess being stalked on dA) and have ruined lives as well. I'm surprised the people who run Miraheze still allow such a community to associate with them, even after all the community's actions have damaged their reuputation. -Typh00nCycl0ned (talk) 17:51, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
19. Strongest support It's Grust. I know I said I would never return and I stand by that but I've been paying attention to what's been going on with Qualitipedia since I've been gone from the ummm "ugliness" last year so I decided to make a new account temporarily. I've been going back to reread my old blogs on Qualitipedia which kept me up to date on QP news. Though I can't forgive what happened last year (And don't go blaming Duchess or Sporeshroom as the sole reason as I've seen Duchess' talk page last year as everyone that believed it are just as guilty though I can forgive individually and have mostly forgotten what was written) I kept some hope that what happened would be a learning experience and the wikis would redeem themselves. Then Tigerblazer announced his first departure when he said that 80% of the users were very toxic. What little hope I had left died and I started to not only hate my own creation but I grew to regret making it. Then SuperStreetKombat made a blog announcing a week off claiming to have gotten rape threats for doing their job. Then another user left for good citing death threats over disagreements. Then I saw Luuka's blog on AGW wiki. If what he said about the umm subject matter is true, it made the incident last year completely meaningless rendering the fourth paragraph of my farewell blog worthless. And finally we have August where you lost nearly 6 users some of which were admins or bureacrats. And I'm a regular at ThePackagedReviewers YouTube video and not only pointed out how toxic the community has become but how boring they were as well with so many excessive rules for making a page making the wikis feel more like a business than a place for fun. Like I said I didn't want this place to be professional, I wanted it to be a place for fun. And sadly yes, your reputation has now gotten so bad Miraheze is suffering as well and from what I'm hearing even the Miraheze staff don't even like QP very much. Even if this RFC fails, with more good users leaving and toxicity increasing, I'm pretty sure eventually the staff will close you down anyway. So no matter what I think QP is doomed anyway. ElementalHeroes (talk) 18:18, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
20. Strong support To be honest, these wikis weren't needed in the first place since critics don't usually stop people from enjoying the thing. While The Angry Birds Movie received mixed reviews from critics, I loved the movie. Of course, many things have flaws but they don't stop you from continuing it. People have opinions. Reece2o19 (talk) 19:41, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
21. Strongest support After reading from what Grust said, I'm now fully supporting the closure. The userbase is almost filled to the brim with alt-righters who would brain wash people with their own propaganda. In fact, an incident happened in the 101DS community in September 2021 because of the brainwashing from QP, which resulted me getting banned from the Discord server. Not only that, but some of the users I have met are a pain in the back like ThisWas for an example. So yeah, even if I do miss the wikis, this has to be done. Also, I might revive the wikis without involvement from QP but that might wait for now. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 20:07, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
22. Support I've completely lost faith in Qualitipedia since April this year. These wikis just make Miraheze look like the site for Reception Wikis, and it completely misses the point, it's supposed to be a wiki hosting platform much like Fandom and ShoutWiki. At this point, I don't actually care about my final page anymore. TheShinyLucarioMaster (talk) 20:20, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
23. Support Basically every point raised by the proposer(s) and regulars. Forgive me if my vote isn't very argumentative as it should be. I just want to get these wikis off myself at last. 20:33, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
24. Strongest support: Qualitipedia has completely tarnished Miraheze's image, and IMHO the concept of opinion-based wikis does not work. Think about it, opinions are subjective. Those could've easily been expressed in blogs or something. And some of the users are... pretty bad, needless to say. I still can't believe it's been almost a decade since these wikis--er, I mean, sites, started. Trevor807 (talk) 22:57, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

    Hi, Trevor. Hope you're not mad at me for what happened last year. SuperStreetKombat (talk)) 22:58, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

25. Strongest support Even though, I'm not usually active on Qualitipedia that much as everyone. I think I had made a decision that it's best that we should close Qualitipedia once more, since the majority of the staff including some users agreed that we should close Qualitipedia as most of these pages are kinda biased, heck one DeviantArt user even claimed that it also triggers them. But besides we have different opinions, but because of the controversial events that happened over the website, It is best that I decided to strongly support this request of comment as I definitely agree to all of the points as said in the RfC. But we all have some good times though, but we need to set things apart. Quixolite (talk)) 01:23, 1, September 2022 (UTC)
26. Support I used to think it was a fun site where I could put movies and have reasons why they're good/bad. But many things started to go hell, and it's so bad that the founder regretted founded them. Worst of all, all of the drama over little things, and more people leave. Opinion's aren't fact, like I said. In fact, for days, I've actually wanted to stay a bit longer, but I begin to feel less and less happy and more interest on here. Worst of all, like Duchess, I got some harassment from them, and I already aware about that. On second thought, I agreed with everyone else, and I felt the wikis had It run its course. :( Stephenfisher2001 (talk) 01:40, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
27. Support: Unfortunately, given how Qualtipedia has become a huge mess in recent years, I feel that shutting it down may be our only option at this point. MatthewThePrep (talk) 02:28, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
28. Strongest support Unfortunately, the idea of Qualitipedia and reception wikis have poorly executed and I feel like it would be better if Qualitipedia gets closed. If I would give out examples, these would be: Qualitipedia do get one-sided just like any other mainstream medias. Like a show having terrible animation and plot but without knowing that people enjoys the show because of these reasons (this also applies for controversial medias except for which deserved a negative treatment). Even worse, during when Grust administered these wikis, Qualitipedia was heavily anti-SJW and pro-GamerGate (without knowing that GamerGate had awful points such as doxxing, and harassment, and not even being backed by GamerGate), and we still got remnants of GamerGate apologism on our pages even if we try to get rid of politics of Qualitipedia. When reviewing media, Qualitipedia never been primary and always get surpassed by other professional reviewers. We we actually haven't been professional at all. These are all I can say for now, this response will be updated as more reasons will be added. — TheArdArda (talk) 12:18 (GMT +3:00), 1 September 2022.

    You honestly take that back what you said. Obi-Wan Skywalker86 (Talk), 1 September 2022.

    Why I should take what I said back? — TheArdArda (talk) 17:38 (GMT +3:00), 1 September 2022.

    TheArdArda is actually saying the truth. Like I said before, most toxic users are from the alt-right. In fact, I had become a liberal in recent days due to the response from Grust. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 12:36, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

    After I read the arguements, it boosted my support for closure of Qualitipedia since DuchessTheSponge being stalked (which is not acceptible), Grust, inventor of the reception wikis have despised his own creation, and have tarnished Miraheze's reputation. — TheArdArda (talk) 17:38 (GMT +3:00), 1 September 2022.

    keep in mind duchess' stalking accusation is not backed up by anything. accusations like these are very serious and should be supported by some evidence, else it's a "listen and believe" situation. just saying "i was stalked so yea" feels almost like a joke. Yonydesk (talk) 16:19, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

    Never forget what happened to me last year due to "listen and believe!" I will never forgive that one. ElementalHeroes (talk) 21:21, 1 September 2022 (UTC)ElementalHeroes

29. Strongest support This is probably the only time I will ever make a comment on these wikis, but during the drama between SephSpace and Qualitipedia, I became good friends with the so-called "traitors" and truly began to realize what a shithole these wikis really are. I will admit, I actually was somewhat interested in the site back when I first saw it on Miraheze after seeing the article on Modern Family Guy on the Terrible TV Shows Wiki. It was refreshing to see a review site that actually bothered to go against the masses and give the criticism some media deserves. However, over the last couple years, I began to see some serious issues with how these wikis operated, largely on the fact that these types of sites will never be able to form a consistent opinion due to differing opinions over certain subjects (look at what happened to Pokemon Sword and Shield and Super Mario 3D All-Stars, for instance). Plus, there's the fact that some wikis are, and I say this honestly, retarded. I mean, seriously, a wiki about praising or criticizing fictional characters? What the actual fuck?! It wasn't until the Grust incident that, basically exposed the users for what they are. After seeing so many critics of the wikis get banned, that was the final straw for me. I searched for every source that criticized these wikis and made them no better then the rest of the people they criticize. Unfortunately, that ended up getting into its own drama as well. These wikis may have been a neat concept on paper, but as you can see, it ends up creating nothing but a hotbed of drama. I honestly feel pity on Miraheze for having to put up with these "wikis" for so long, as it's actually a pretty good alternative wiki. I even frequent a few wikis myself on there, like All The Tropes and Real Life Villains Wiki. However, these wikis have dragged its reputation through the mud, and everything anyone has done only made it worse. I think it's time to end this website's suffering, and close down these wikis for good. DemonDragon77 (talk) 16:16, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
30. Strongest support While my credibility is ruined by what I've done, it's still important to consider everyone's views. I have many testimonies about the way the Reception Wikis went. I've worked for the Wikis for 3 years from 2018-2021, and I've seen it turn from a decently reliable source to a neckbeard training camp. At its zenith in 2019, it had a high potential to become one of the next official review sites even if its true colors was merely hidden well due to the Outcast Network that kept drama away from the mainline. Unfortunately, it turned out to be a necessary evil as the drama spilled over into the mainline Wikis and sent them in a civil war in the last quarter of 2020. All solidarity between users has been broken now that they blame the Outcast Network for their own problems instead of taking responsibility. Every last ditch attempt to save the Wikis have never had the desired effect (including the crackdown on my insurrection on June 2, 2021. It's like the Tiananmen Square massacre of the Reception Wikis and is almost on the same day), and the time I got banned from the Discord server for my allegiance with Rama while favoring Mar the pedo was the straw that broke the camel's back. I can empathize with those that want the Wikis to stay, but please understand this. These Wikis have degraded into an encho chamber between lifeless shitheads. You guys must move on with your life as I did. Accept that things have to be this way, and I'll put my biases aside to support those disaffected by the potential closure. I'll help you write better, be more civil, find your talents, etc. You guys now have seen how I've changed for the better. Love, Robert. Portrock1566 (talk) 17:06, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Oppose

1. Strongest oppose I still have interest in these wikis, and I still would like them to keep going. If you don't want to run them anymore, let someone else have them. There are lots of users out there who also have interest, and the wikis are way too popular to close TBH. They still have a purpose in my belief, and there is way too much history for these wikis to start all over again. FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 23:55, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
2. Strongest oppose: Please don't. I get that there is a lot of Users retiring, Trolls, and Vandals, but I love joining fake blog collabs. If Qualitipedia closes down, then I might quit Miraheze, I will also return to the K-Quora community (since I was in that community before I joined the Qualitipedia community, but I'm hardly any active, although I been frequenting upvoting posts). - Kpop And Earthbound Fanatic (talk) 23:58, 30 August 2022 (UTC)

   Not a very sound argument. If you want to create fake blog collabs, then you should consider finding a wiki with that subject or even creating one of your own. Marxo Grouch (talk) 00:52, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

3. Strongest oppose: I still enjoy these wikis. I feel like there could be some room for improvement and it's a good place to rant about stuff while showing fully why you're ranting on it and some redeeming qualities you have on it(game/show/movie/etc.). Yes, we still have ups and downs like wiki closers like PKMNLivesNew and Life_Tutor, but we can't let wiki closers win.. Pacsonic9000 (talk) 00:10, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
4. Strongest oppose:If you really don't want Qualitipedia hosting these wikis anymore, is it still possible to move them back to Fandom?

   This is more of a question rather than an oppose. Short answer: Probably not. Long answer: While it could be pulled off, Fandom were the people who kicked us off originally, and basically prevented any reception wikis. We would have to request an import through them as all imports must be reviewed by Fandom. Legally, we couldn't copy-paste the content either, due to the Creative Commons license we use. It's highly unlikely this could be done. --Zeus (talk|contribs|accounts|email|Board) 22:23, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

5. Strongest oppose: I like browsing these wikis every now and then. I'd say we can give these wikis another shot, though with much, much more strict guidelines. ThisIsHowIAm (talk) 00:11, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

   @ThisIsHowIAm: Can you explain what you think we could change? --Zeus (talk|contribs|accounts|email|Board) 00:39, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

   Oppose No. I still have interest in these wikis. I agree with the above opposes. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 00:17, 31 August 2022 (UTC) I'm going to go for abstain, due to lack of interest, but I disagree with the closure RfCs however. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 00:22, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

6. Strongest oppose: I enjoy the wikis too and had a lot of fun making articles for them, to be honest. I may not be as active as before but I still contribute to it occasionally. Hence, I vote against it. Rath460 (talk) 01:00, 31 August 2022 (GMT +8)

   That's really not a strong excuse. An oppose should be trying to counter the proposal, not just stating you want them to stay open because you like them. Marxo Grouch (talk) 01:11, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

7. Strongest oppose Please keep them going, without them, there won't be another wiki like Qualitipedia, if not, then maybe I of someone will run them. The Dunkman (talk) 06:10, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

   I'm pretty sure there are other reception wikis on this platform that you can turn your attention to. Not as big as QP, but they're there and could use some touch up from interested users. Marxo Grouch (talk) 14:50, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

   @The Dunkman:I would advise you to step forward now, until it's too late. --Zeus (talk|contribs|accounts|email|Board) 13:08, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

8. Strongest oppose Per all. FanOfYoshi (talk) 08:01, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
9. Strongest oppose If you don’t want to run these wikis anymore, let someone else take leadership. I don’t see any problems for that happening, and many people would accept that offer, including me. Like what Pacsonic said, we can’t let the wiki closers win. SquirtSquirtle (User talk:SquirtSquirtle) 09:05, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

   What do you have to say about the arguments presented in the RfC? This isn't necessarily a discussion of user activity on the wikis. Marxo Grouch (talk) 14:50, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

   Reading one of the flaws, I’m aware vandalism is a problem on these wikis. However, we can deal with it by hiring some more rollbackers ( Trusted users, so that doesn’t include me ) from a vast range of time zones, so vandalism can be reverted in a longer range of time. SquirtSquirtle (User talk:SquirtSquirtle) 17:10, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

   Vandalism is not that much of a problem for these wikis (around 5-10% of the problems of QP at least), so what else do you have to say about the other arguments (ie the ones above the voting section)? Marxo Grouch (talk) 20:52, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

   Another flaw mentioned on this page is the Moderation Extension. I know I’m gonna get hate for this, but I don’t think it’s 100% bad. Maybe you guys should slightly adjust it so it’s slightly less strict, such as unlocking users in 10 edits over 15, and the reception and the effectiveness could improve. On a side note, if this RFC is successful and Qualitipedia is planned to get shut down at some point ( eg. Early 2023 ), then we should disable this feature entirely so users can freely edit through its last days. SquirtSquirtle (User talk:SquirtSquirtle) 08:05, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

10. Strongest oppose Big. Mistake. My. Friend. I will not let Qualitipedia be closed, as long as I — Katsumi — am still active on Miraheze. I understand that you are trying to help Miraheze for better or worse, but closing Qualitipedia is never a good option — not by a long shot. The Qualitipedia wikis are the only community that I feel like I belong to. Before Miraheze, and to this day, I have never befriended any other wiki editors outside of Miraheze. All of you guys — King Dice, Zangler, everyone on the wikis — are my friends, and the closure of the network means that I will never be able to contact you guys again. If you don't feel like running the wikis, let me do it. I know these wikis have been tarnishing Miraheze's reputation as a promising alternative to Fandom, but without them — I would never become who I am today. 超ヤバいっす! 豪雷と嵐で New Style! ⚡ Thunder Gale Katsumi ⚡
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11. Strongest oppose Absolutely not. Who will tell users what media is good and what is bad with a detailed list of reasons why. Who will tell people what to do and what not to do in terms of media. All of the wikis are active and filled with users (except for the Literature wikis). You would be throwing years of hard work out the window. Nine years of user contributions, gone. If this proposal succeeds I will be doing everything I can to help Qualitipedia refugees find new homes. If this proposal does not succeed, I will spread awareness of our cause and do everything in my power to help these wikis. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 13:09, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

    There are such things as YouTube reviewers and aggregation websites. People can view these to make up their minds about whether or not media is good or bad. Hell, they can even form their own opinion and express it on one of the two platforms. It doesn't take QP to locate these things. Marxo Grouch (talk) 14:50, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

12. Strongest oppose A ton of users, including myself, have dedicated a ton of time to creating and editing hundreds of articles for the wikis. Closing them would be as if they were all meant for nothing, and would've been a complete waste of time for us. Plus, there are a lot of people volunteering to run the wikis themselves, so why not pass the torch to them instead of closing it down? Hunterboy z (talk) 14:01, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

    @Hunterboy Z: Bukkit has confirmed that a wiki dump will be available. --Zeus (talk|contribs|accounts|email|Board) 21:01, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

13. Strongest oppose The concept itself is what made me interested in the wikis to begin with. I should remind you that there are still people who love contributing in Qualitipedia. Also, this wastes the time of contribution users made over the past 9 years. 9 freaking years man! I also agree with Katsumi. Should i also mention that this kills the creativity behind the wikis? What i mean is that these wikis allowed stuff like fake shows just for fun, which is what made these wikis cool. CJWorldGame32125 (talk)

    Strongest oppose Yes, QP is currently in big trouble. I understand that Miraheze didn't want a worse future. However, I extremely disagree with this closure because this writing off a community that has been around for years. In fact, some users are also upset that some of their favorite wikis will go bye-bye in the future. There are better and more smart ways than just close an entire encyclopedia. In fact, I had met some great people because of those wikis. Reception needs to by reliable sources since we are not supposed to be a reliable source in our own right. WERE A WIKI! Another thing I wanna add is that the rules should be updated so we can have a more collaborative community. If this RFC passes, who knows about the future the wikis if their getting reopened or not, and when they get reopened, I bet QP will not be involved. So yeah, those are my thoughts as of now. I used to barely support but this situation continues bugging me a lot, so yeah. Any questions? BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 17:25, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

14. Oppose Today I was appointed moderator and to be honest I don't want Qualtipedia to disappear, or at least I don't want both wikis that I'm moderating on to disappear. Even if a lot of people don't like her at the moment, I'm going to be with them for a long time.
    • To people who are going to leave it: If you are going to leave here, please, no one is holding you here by force, but I will stay here and I believe that I will be able to restore Qualtipedia to its heyday, I only wish you a lot of luck outside of Qualtipedia. Szczypak2005 (talk) 18:02, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
15. Oppose I oppose because I don't want all the hard work I've done on Crappy Games Wiki and Cancelled Games Wiki to disappear forever. JustAlex93Mh (talk) 18:44, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

    @JustAlex93Mh: Bukkit has confirmed a wiki dump will be available. And this goes for other opposes as well. --Zeus (talk|contribs|accounts|email|Board) 19:12, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

16. Strongest oppose I still have hope even though it people will retire this is a great place to share my creative works and I’ve met amazing freinds here I mean obviously there are flaws but I believe it can improve.Singlestuforeo (talk) 22:08, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
17. Strongest oppose There's still hope for the wikis. Flaws will happen and we can't avoid them. They're normal things that is part of our everyday life and there's no reason to close them. Just hope for the best and become stronger and we can pull through and make the wikis more improved. Just like creating a game. Don't cancel it just because it'll have some nasty bugs and glitches. They'll always happen though you can still fix them, yes they're an inconvenience but that doesn't mean you should lose hope to make it and gameplay, story, mechanics, graphics, sound & music and controls can matter more as well too. We need to make the wikis more improved and give Qualtipedia and Miraheze a better reputation. AkihitoZero5454 (talk) 15:19, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
18. Strongest oppose Why close down a commununity that has been around for years? There are much more feasible ways than just close an entire encyclopedia. It is important that the reception has plenty of reliable sources, because we are not meant to be a reliable source in our own right. WE ARE A WIKI! Also, update the rules so that it's possible for us to have a more collaborative community. Fortdicted (talk) 20:59, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

    The RfC noted that the use of sources contradicts the claim that the wikis aren't meant to be reliable, and the use of sources clashes with how pointers are often written from a user's point of view rather than a more objective approach. This is why edit wars and disagreements keep breaking out regarding certain pages. Marxo Grouch (talk) 02:45, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

19. Strongest oppose To be honest, I get it. I know that these wikis are unfortunately being rocked by the issues described, and I mustn't ignore it. It sometimes seems that for every gem of an article, there is a string of mediocre or outright terrible pages. Perhaps I am guilty of these myself, with my articles about why Press TV and the Olympic Games on NBC suck. However, I feel like it is unfair to all the people who have dedacated their blood, sweat and tears to these pages, to call out something they don't like. It would be like self-censoring issues and hiding when something deserves to be called out. Even if these wikis close, there will still be video games, movies, TV shows, & books that are utter rubbish. I don't know if the average person off the streets would actually change their minds by reading our wiki, but it is, or at least was, certainly worth a try. To some extent, it can also be seen as breaking of a community. I admit, I am not too active on the Discord server, and I amingine there are many users who are not. By extension, should these wikis close, they could lose contact with internet friends that gave them a sense of community. However, what I am not opposed to is taking our wikis off of Miraheze to move them to a different website. I feel much shame for the staff of Miraheze, for their project is being overrun with our name. (See RationalWiki's comparison of wikis, where they list Miraheze's actual users as "wannabe critics"). Therefore, if it is to close, it should only be temporary while we move to new hosts. Better yet, maybe we can be self-sufficient, and be self hosted. Then again, maybe I'm just too naïve. But thank you for listening to my argument, and if this is the last time I interact with the wiki, thank you all so very much. While there were good and bad times a plenty, I will never forget how important these were in my pre-teen and teenage years. Thank you all. Yours truly, Awildderperappears. (talk) 21:51 UTC, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
20. Strongest oppose I have been self-training myself to make good pages for so long. Though it's mostly Awesome Games Wiki (I own more games that I love than dislike) I still worked hard. I went from making mediocre pages that BARELY meet the no-deletion, but aren't good either, to making a great, great page (Ratchet & Clank: Rift Apart on AGW) that I was so confident in getting it featured. If the wikis close, I feel like it would be all for nothing. Tkgaynor (talk) 22:30, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
21. Oppose Pass the torch to carefully vetted users who still care about the place if the leadership has lost hope. Nonstopmaximum (talk) 00:59, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

    I'd advise those users to step forward, then. Don't wait until it's too late. --Zeus (talk|contribs|accounts|email|Board) 03:24, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

22. Strongest oppose I really don't want these wikis to close. I had a lot of fun working on and making fake media collabs. But if these wikis do get closed, I won't quit Miraheze entirely. Instead, I will continue to edit on Miraheze wikis and will move to a wiki that is made for fake movies, games, shows, etc. RattataKid2007 (talk) 01:26, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
23. Strongest oppose If these wikis end up shutting down, we will end up losing our progress for 9-10 years (Considering the wikis started in 2013, we should keep them for their 10th anniversary next year) and if the wikis end up being privated/locked we cannot edit them and in 6 months they disappear forever, unless you have the huge source code for them. Nidoking (talk) 01:46, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

    Again, a wiki dump will be available for interested users. --Zeus (talk|contribs|accounts|email|Board) 03:24, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

24. Strongest oppose I don't want this to remove from the site because only not trying to be political (while we're against both left and right wingers) and being “GamerGate” as some people claimed to be, but I don't want to miss some of my friends and good people here in here (even though I don't chat as much) and making edits are fun too. Obi-Wan Skywalker86 (talk)), 1 September 2022 (UTC)
25. Strongest oppose Qualitipedia played a big role to many users' life such as me who finally found friends. Also if the network has problems that doesn't mean we should give up, We need to fix them or start from scratch. PituckosTheCockatiel (talk) 15:13, 1 September 2022 (GMT +3)
26. Oppose I want Qualitipedia to stay, because I really enjoy these wikis after I first stumbled upon them by chance at some point in 2018. I even learned of the shitty things some social injustice warriors tried to accomplish through this, and even got to see articles of games I liked or disliked while also wanting to improve the content and ironing out needlessly angry reasons to why something's awful. It's those irresponsible users' fault for causing havoc, don't blame everyone for something a bunch of idiots did! --Breakin' Benny (talk) 14:55, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
27. Strongest oppose I think there need to be changes for these wikis to be up to standards, I don't think closing the wikis is the best option. I regularly browse these wikis, but I don't know what to do without them. There just needs to be a way to improve our reputation (as well as Miraheze's too). Josh0108 (talk) 15:17, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
28. Oppose I honestly feel worried about how this could cause drama, with a divisive amount of users saying that these wikis SHOULD close down because they SUCK vs. these wikis SHOULD NOT close down cuz they're AMAZING, because of how this happened when we were closing the Website wikis, but my honest say here is that I have had fun with these wikis, especially contributing to these wikis, and the research ofc, and a lot of people have also had fun with these wikis, even if there are some who haven't, and probably the best way to solve this problem of toxicity and divisiveness is to not close down these wikis, but add even stricter moderation to prevent toxic behavior (but not bad moderation, if you know what I mean), and maybe a possible consideration of adding more admins. Closing down the wikis is like giving up whenever something is too hard, which is something I wouldn't do at all, and there are tons of websites that deal with toxicity daily, and yet these websites are still here. This is just my honest say about this idea of closing the wikis, and I'm willing to agree to disagree. - AleXYZ-510 (talk) 06:28, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
29. Oppose I don't agree shutting down the wikis, if wasn't for Terrible Shows & Episodes Wiki denouncing the Miraculous Ladybug fandom for the suicide of the Lila Rossi fan, the fans of the show finally called out the show's fandom for that monstrosity in this year, even though the wikis most of the time not being reliable sources. If the wikis shut down, hope FatBurn and BaldiBasicsFan reopen the wikis. MariaJúlia1718 (talk) 18:47, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

Abstain

1.  Abstain Not yet. There are still some things I wanna resolve here before I call it quits here. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 4:33, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
2.  Abstain I legit was losing a bit of interest in Qualitipedia as of this year being honest with you. But I never lost hope for Miraheze as a whole as we speak. I'm glad I had a good run here. I'll be turning 23 in the next 6 days, but I will NEVER forget these wikis, EVER! --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 00:22, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

    Abstain I have a feeling the entire reception wikis will end up lost media, if they end up going away after the wikis being privated after 6 months, considering the years of work done on them. Nidoking (talk) 00:40, 31 August 2022 (UTC) Switched to Oppose

   @Nidoking: Bukkit has confirmed a wiki dump will be available should this RfC pass. --Zeus (talk|contribs|accounts|email|Board) 02:12, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

   That is a good thing. Every single page on all nine wikis, including non-mainspace pages, should be archived in the Wayback Machine if this RfC passes. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 14:29, 31 August 2022 (UTC)

3.  Abstain To be honest I have no clue but I can understand why you want the wikis to shut down because of a lot of problems to the point where it causes a lot of problems to the wikis as a whole. Now I do still want to make pages for the wikis but the wikis themselves have gotten low in maturity which is why we have some drama involving Nintendo (though resolved because of a page on CGW), The Loud House (mainly the Netflix film), Sausage Party, pages on real people including the Celebtards (also resolved), the Family Guy, SpongeBob, and The Simpsons redirects, Teen Titans Go being considered "average" and the one time Pokemon got into drama once. Then there's also the fact that we should consider that not everyone is going to agree with a certain piece of media being on either wiki like Raya and the Last Dragon being placed on GMW or Sonic Lost World being placed on AGW due to some media being decisive all because of what critics and fans would think and popular opinions meaning that people have the right to express their own opinion. The same can apply to media that may be liked by the majority in some way yet it still managed to get some negative feedback like the Jim Carrey version of The Grinch being placed in AMW despite its cult status or when Fortnite has an additional page on CGW despite being well received even though it has flaws that are hard to ignore. Also, don't get me started on edit warring and immature users as well. Even though I will be fine with the wikis closing, I'm also going to stay neutral about this. PlantyB0i (talk) 00:55, 31 August 2022 (CDT)
4.  Abstain For now I'm too mixed to determine if we should close the wikis or if we shouldn't close the wikis. I guess what I'm saying is that maybe put the wikis on hiatus, or wait til we close these wikis for good. On one hand, I defiantly agree Qualitipedia has been going down the toilet and is losing intrest. But on the other hand, I worry the fate of what's gonna happen if the wikis do close. For the most part I used to be 100% active on these wikis, even during school class, but as time went on during this summer, evantually everything started to fade away from using the wikis. There's a few main reasons for this. Firstly, the thing I said- it turned Summer. During Summer was my time to start relaxing and forget all about my issues. And it's kinda sad to say this, but I feel using Qualitpedia was one of those issues. I think I was getting stressed out from using the wikis and seeing all the pages 24/7, so when summer began, I for the most part began to become more and more inactive on the wikis. I wasn't completeley inactive, and I still chimed in for stuff like stopping bad debates, fixing up my pages, etc. But that is way more lackluster to what I did when it wasn't summer. The second main reason I started to become less active was due to focusing on new activities. As I said, Qualitipedia surfing consumed most of my time, but when it became summer, I started looking for other things besides critiquing shows, games, characters, etc. I started making more animations, expressing my inner nerd, planning goals outside, and finding myself in the chaos of early teens. Of course, I do still critique those said things, but more suttly now. The final reason I believe I've become more inactive is actually due to Qualitpedia discord. I like using the discord more because I get chacnes to express myself even more than I could on the wikis. Heck, I'm thanking joining the Discord and meeting the admin for my redemption arc on not getting so angry or rude most of the time. I am still working on that, but Discord overally helped increase my good reputation on the wikis. So that's all my main reasons on why I haven't been on the wikis that often. What does this have to do with the topic you may ask? Well for the most part, Qualitipedia relies on the many users who help explore and critique things, but when people start losing intrest, i.e. me, many users start to act rude, selfish, toxic, and pathetic, and that has lead to the tale of many infamous users like MBF, SonicFTW, FB0 (well, not really but was) NoYB, etc. Whilst some of the users did try to redeem themselves, it didn't do much. But I'm not going to continue this debate only saying the wikis should be closed, because I have words on why they shouldn't, and it has to do with everyone I met. I have met and bonded many people on the wikis, many of which I relate to. That goes out to TigerBlazer, BaldisBasicsFan, PlantyBOI, Zangler, Nidoking, ShawnTehLogoBoi, and my first ever Qualitpedia friend, Alex-5170 (I probs spelled that wrong sry e). So I'm worried if the wikis end, my relationship with them will start falling apart, and I don't want them. They have helped me so much during my journey on the wikis, and I don't want that to stop. So yeah. I'm really sorry this is way longer than it should, but I just want my best input on the issue. Sincereley, - Reviweing97Shows (talk) 00:59, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
5.  Abstain Despite the issues QP has, I'm not sure if we should close the wikis. Since late 2020, I have been an active contributor on this family of websites, but even if the wikis shut down, I'll remain on the Dsicord server. CrazySpruiker2001 (talk) 02:15, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
6.  Abstain On one hand, this would mean better PR for Miraheze and it would probably get me to seek some more productive hobbies, but on the other, I’ve found these wikis to be a great place to see why a lot of people like or dislike a form of media as well as the bad or redeeming qualities to it, and I’ve also found it a great place to rant about a bunch of executive meddling and bad business practices. DeadPixel (talk) 05:14, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
7.  Abstain This is a very very hard decision, for me these wikis helped me have something to do, but also the quality of the wikis right now is not doing very doing good, but the I meet are really nice, I don’t know what is going to happen next, if successful, but It is too difficult decide Gilimaster69 (talk) 19:42, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
8.  Abstain I suggest start over from scratch or froze (lock up and archive) the wikis for indefinite amount of time, and or an new-style page format that replaces the current "Why It Rocks/Sucks" and "Redeeming Qualities" format... --Theresnoname (talk) 15:29, 31 August 2022 (UTC)
9.  Abstain These wikis mean quite a lot to me, since it got me into rating media & making random fake shows, and the wikis gave me a lot of nostalgia. But these wiki's community has worsened in recent months with rude, selfish, toxic, and pathetic users like MBF, SonicFTW, FB0 (well, not really but was) and NoYB, not to mention the wiki is suffering from multiple other problems and has ruined the reputation of Miraheze. For now, I'll say I'm the middle between keeping the wikis or closing them, maybe just lock up and archive the wikis for indefinite amount of time. Anyways, Hwyl fawr for now. BlakeIsHere458 (talk) 00:57, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

   "With rude, selfish, toxic, and pathetic users like MBF, SonicFTW, FBO (well, not really but was) and NoYB..." You can make debates, but don't plagarize from people, i.e. me. It's wrong, and by keeping stolen text it will make yourself look like one of the users I listed. - Reviweing97Shows (User talk:Reviweing97Shows) 19:10 PM, September 1, 2022 (UTC)

10.  Abstain I was gonna oppose this, but since my reason dumbs down to "nooo i like the wikis don't close pl0z ;_;", I'm gonna abstain. If this RfC does pass (oh god no), I'd say start over from scratch (per above, i am not original kek). NewAccountLOL (talk) 01:04, 1 September 2022 (UTC)
11.  Abstain I'm really thinking about this as something that has its own goods and its own bads, but like most other RFC's that I've contributed to, some of my reasons for this have already been listed, however I think that I should point out some of my own reasonings by myself now. Currently, I've been making my living by making articles, and to see the wikis that I bring my articles to going away is not an easy thing to see. If this RFC does go through however, I really hope that I am able to archive my articles in some sort of way, since that I really don't want to let go of all of my hard work, and I want to be helpful towards others as well. I also remember a few folks around here that I do appreciate, such as TigerBlazer, Zangler, DarkMatterMan4500, and a few others, even if it took a little while to get used to some, but in the end and what matters the most, is that we got on good terms anyway. For now though, thank you to all of you who've been supporting me in any sort of way. Inka Dinka Doo (talk) 02:34, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

    I appreciate you too pal. Thanks for keeping that other pair of wikis sufficiently alive for all this time. Zangler (talk) 02:51, 1 September 2022 (UTC)

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