Requests for Comment/Ban custom headings from the Reception Wikis again

All right, we all know that custom headings have been allowed since June 2021 thanks to DuchessTheSponge in response to other sources outside of Qualitipedia that criticized us for not allowing them in the first place, right? Well, ever since the rule against those headings was dropped, they've been spreading across the Reception Wikis like wildfire, and over time many other users have found them to be annoying, and understandably so. I also agree to go back to banning custom headings, because they make the pages look stupid and immature, and they add nothing to said pages whatsoever. Not to mention that users often break the rule against adding them to Bad/Redeeming Qualities sections as well as Average/Decent pages. Another problem with them is that users also change the headings of pages every, like, 9 or 10 seconds, like the Funimation page or the Teen Titans GO! page on Terrible TV Shows Wiki and I had to protect both of the pages because of it. I made this RFC to see whether or not custom headings should be banned from Qualitipedia again, and honestly, I'm kind of hoping they will be. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 12:29, 24 March 2022 (UTC)

Support

 * 1) I am sick and tired of these. I know I may have advocated for wanting them to stay before, but at this point, some users are coming in and all they do is change headers, and even after we tell them many times not to change the secondary headings, they do it anyway. And yes, they add nothing to the pages at all, and only make them look childish. Wing Commander confed star.pngTigerBlazer  19:14, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with everything you've said. Besides, why is it such a big deal how the headings look? They're just headings. If I wanted to customize something, I'd do so with a playable character in a video game, or a laptop by adding sticking to it. SuperStreetKombat 1:45, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * they're just headings, that's what i've always said about custom headers aaaaaa they don't add that much of personality to a page, like, you look at them for 1 second then continue with the page. come on lol they're headers ffs Yonydesk (talk) 22:31, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Per above; they are childish and add nothing positive to the pages, but rather the opposite with the countless edit wars that revolve around changing such obsolete features. I think they should be seen as an optional extra for when a page is complete, yet many users see them as a necessity, even adding them to the most incomplete and unprofessional of pages. The joke died months ago when custom headers relied on repeating quotes that were in the article already, prioritizing that over thinking of a creative phrase. I've barely come across good custom headers that don't fall under the above.  20:57, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) I'm really getting annoyed by custom headers, most of them are nonsensical, annoying, cringeworthy, and adds nothing good to a article, in fact, there's clearly a rule that custom headers should only be used on "Why It Sucks/Why It Rocks", yet, many users still break that rule by adding custom headers to average media as well as the "Bad/Good Qualities" on regular pages. I also agree with both TigerBlazer and Zangler above. Dragonite (talk) 22:10, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 3) As mentioned above by Zangler, almost all of these are unoriginal and repeats of quotes (usually the infobox quote). These headers appeal mostly to users with a history of low quality edits. Also on an unrelated note, many users replying to RFCs need to learn how to sign their signatures properly. Nonstopmaximum (talk) 22:32, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 4) A lot of the custom headings aren't all that creative and there are constant edit wars surrounding them alongside people also repeatedly adding them to average media pages and the Bad Qualities/Good Qualities sections, so these headings are better off gone. As for the argument about these headings making the pages less boring, can't people just spice things up with things like the infobox caption? Marxo Grouch  (talk) 23:15, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 5) I thought custom headers were nice to have at first, but then it seemed like people were trying way too hard to give literally every page a custom header. A lot of them just feel so forced and annoying. It's even worse than the overusage of the business practices pages. DeadPixel (talk) 03:02, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 6) While at first the idea sounded good, Custom headers have caused edit wars and problems. It doesn't help that various users don't respect the rules and do whatever they want.  21:42, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 7) They are the Scare and Cheesy Factors of Qualitipedia. They are annoying and like changing constantly over time. BaldiBasicsFan (talk) 21:42, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 8) I'm switching opinions. I'm no longer in the middle, and I'm more so on this side now. I'm still struggling over what to officially do, but for now I feel being on this side fits more. I just got to say 2 things, 1 towards why we could ban custom headings again and 1 towards all of the people of oppose.
 * 9) *Firstly, I have noticed some noticeable issues with some custom headers. For example, The Loud House (Seasons 4 - present)'s header is "Why It Doesn't Show Our Love Anymore". And that has to do with the show in what say? Secondly, I feel that some may be unnecessary, I mean, we already got custom captions, right? I may be fine with custom captions, but some custom headers kill me. Now, I do believe that "Why It Rocks" and "Why It Sucks" are pretty mediocre, so here's my idea. There will be a custom header ONLY if it is mainly necessary and fits. I'm actually planning on changing The Loud House header because it just doesn't fit, unless someone explains that. Whilst I do feel not ALL custom headers should be banned, there should just better moderation. That's what I call fairness. Plus, does everything need to be customized.
 * 10) *Now onto my opinion on the opposes. Firstly, all opposes are "generic headers lol sucky! and creativity e", and mainly doesn't go in that much depth. And those with depth though, congrats on making good opposes! But other than that, THINK about why we remade this RfC. It's because ever since custom headers were allowed, some pages have their custom headers changed every millisecond, and pages are getting locked because of that. Your opposes are basically costing pages the free access and editing users want, and no one wants that. Overall, these custom headers just need better moderation and rules behind them, and any users who mess around with them will get a fair dessert of bans. Soon enough, Funimation, Teen Titans Go! and other locked pages will be free from a torturous cycle. Reviweing97Shows (talk) 14:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * The custom headings sound good on paper, but that doesn't mean anything if they're executed poorly. A lot of them end up trying too hard to be funny, reference obscure things that most people won't get, don't make sense, or ironically are no more creative than the standard header (especially those "Why It's not X" headers). --Blazikeye535 (talk) 04:51, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) * The rule about having no custom headers on pages about average media never made any sense to me either. It will only cause confusion if anything. --Blazikeye535 (talk) 04:56, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Yeah, that never made sense to me either. The Goose Named Zeus  [[File:ZizouDarkWitch2Spritebutactuallytransparent.png]] (chat) [[File:Sola sprite in Dark Witch 2.png]] (contribs) [[File:Franzer sprite in Dark Witch 2.png]] (CentralAuth) 17:10, 10 April 2022 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Please keep them because the generic headings are really boring and also being creative is cool. Some guys just want to make pages more creative than ever. Purple kinda SUS (AKA Am0ngU$) (talk) 20:13, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Firstly, stop trying to say this is a strongest oppose. It's just 2 sentences that are weak. Although to be nice, I won't label this as "weak". Firstly, being creative is always cool, and some custom headers often do not add to the pages being cool in any way. Like, on the Lucy page on Loathsome Characters Wiki, her header says "Why She's A Bigger, Badder Wolf (She is ironically smaller)". Whilst that could be seen as fine, another older one was "Why She's Nothing But A George Pig Ripoff". Ok, starting to fall apart... wait, one custom header of that page that was short lived was "Why She's Nothing But A Big Fat "NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN NEIN!!!". *sigh* This is not how to customize headers. Reviweing97Shows (talk) 14:34, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Formalizing the wikis will turn it to a piece of shit sandwich. Please keep them. We don’t want boring pointers. It keeps us unique. JrStudios (talk) 02:18, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * "Why It Rocks/Sucks" isn't formal already to begin with. it's not like these headers make THAT big of a difference on a page either. you stare at it for 1 second, then keep reading the page. it's kinda pointless to have them customised if they have the impact of a raindrop. it's funny because on the FANDOM era you were able to express personality on the page content itself (with bolds, caps, red text, etc) and now that's prohibited, yet for custom headers it's the exception. besides, "Why It Rocks/Sucks" was already unique to the reception wikis. Yonydesk (talk) 02:54, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Uh, specifically what do custom headers have to do with the quality of pointers? Zangler (talk)
 * 1) It would be pointless. ZeusDeeGoose (talk) 20:27, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Look, I get it, you don't want to be insulted, but this is a strong defense. At least add more reasoning to it, other than just this sentence. Reviweing97Shows (talk) 7:09, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * why tho? Yonydesk (talk) 02:55, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * They are literally less than 100 bytes on a page. It's not worth it to change it. Plus, some people use 'Why It Rocks' on pages labled as decent. For example, Just Dance 2019 uses 'Why It Rocks". = The Goose Named Zeus  [[File:ZizouDarkWitch2Spritebutactuallytransparent.png]] (chat) [[File:Sola sprite in Dark Witch 2.png]] (contribs) [[File:Franzer sprite in Dark Witch 2.png]] (CentralAuth) 12:44, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Uh, no offense, but what? Less than 100 bytes on a page? How does bytes have to do with this? And why is it not worth it? Reviweing97Shows (talk) 11:32, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
 * "Uh, no offense, but what?" It's the custom headers. "And why is it not worth it?" Think of how many pages have custom headers. Likely at least half of our pages. How much time would it change them to "Why It Rocks/Sucks"? Probably too much. Also, stop changing my oppose to weak. The Goose Named Zeus  [[File:ZizouDarkWitch2Spritebutactuallytransparent.png]] (chat) [[File:Sola sprite in Dark Witch 2.png]] (contribs) [[File:Franzer sprite in Dark Witch 2.png]] (CentralAuth) 16:58, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I like how you answered only two of the qeustions, and just left out the bytes qeustion. Reviweing97Shows (talk) 7:10, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * Forgot about that one. It was an exaggeration. Also, once again, stop changing the oppose.   17:23, 11 April 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) The generic headers are plain. Besides, it at least semi-fun to have creative headers Chocopuppy (talk) 21:39, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * hot take: most custom headers are anything but creative and are more cringe. Yonydesk (talk) 02:54, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Having "why it rocks" or "why it sucks" for every page gets boring. I think having a rule on requiring consensus in talk page is a better sollution, and otherwise major changes to headers are reverted by admins. ᗩTOᗰIᑕᔕTᗩᖇ 💬 ⌨ 23:00, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * it doesn't HAVE to be interesting either. the header just serves to mark "here's where the X qualities start" and that's it. Yonydesk (talk) 02:57, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) We need to keep them again since it can be tiring of the wikis going back and forth over custom headings being allowed or not, and it needs to stop. Also, if custom headings get banned again, they will most likely be put back again, then banned, then put back again, and over and over again. MarioBobFan (talk) 23:29, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) Keep them. The custom headers make the page fun. NoNameNoFace (talk) 01:17, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * there's other ways to make a page "fun", rather than relying on an over-glorified swap of words in a heading that can come off as cringe and depending heavily on subjectivity, and that's also been unsurprisingly lacking in moderation control due to its open nature with control attempts not being very successful, and probably proving to be better off prohibited in that end. Yonydesk (talk) 02:20, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) They can sometimes be really funny and have nice inside jokes for people who know said media like in the reugular show page were it says why this show should not be fired. Singlestuforeo (talk) 11:29, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * "have nice inside jokes for people who know said media like in the reugular show" Firstly, how'd you misspell "Regular"? Secondly, what if it's just a random page and the user dosen't know the context? Thirdly, headers like "WHY THEY IS BIG FAT LOSER LOL NEIN NEIN" are not funny. No one's laughing. Reviweing97Shows (talk) 9:04, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * I'm not laughing. Nonstopmaximum (talk) 12:44, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * same, for like 85% of the custom headers i've seen. Yonydesk (talk) 21:56, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree with you fully, Stu. Chocopuppy (talk) 16:10, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * and : As much as I agree that they shouldn't be removed, how exactly are they "funny"? I'm not trying to disrespect opinions but still. FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 23:48, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) How are they "childish" and "immature"? Yes they can be childish and immature, but not always. This is just stupid. It's like saying being creative is childish and immature. Give me a break. Plus, about edit warring, we can just protect pages. I do definitely think we should try and make sure they're not too corny though. FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 01:28, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * i'd agree with not making them corny only if it was a realistic goal because at the end of the day, everyone has his own definition of "corny" and thus, what header would be corny or not. protecting a page is an extreme measure in this case because you're restricting edits only due to what's essentially a single line on the page. Yonydesk (talk) 02:54, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Unnecessary. BookFandumb1 (talk) 02:01, 25 March 2022 (UTC)v
 * why? Yonydesk (talk) 02:54, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) I think the main problem boils down to abysmal capitalization of certain words in English and lack of creativity. The best solution — in my opinion — is not to ban custom headings entirely, but to enforce stricter control of custom headings: instead of letting users change the headings freely, they must create a topic on the talk page to see if the custom heading fits. If it does not fit, it is rejected. It is simple and straightforward. 🦖️  my Name is Katsumi <rp>(</rp><rt style="color:black;font-size:.95em;text-shadow:0 0 5pt #40bcff;">BA↗RI↘BA↗RI↘</rt><rp>)</rp>  <div style="background:black;display:inline;padding:.3em .65em;border-radius:1.2em;font-size:.88em;font-family:FOT-Fate_Go Skip B,serif;">KamenRiderRevice-logo.webp  talk  <div style="background:black;display:inline;padding:.3em .65em;border-radius:1.2em;font-size:.88em;font-family:FOT-Fate_Go Skip B,serif;">KamenRiderRevice-logo.webp  contributions  02:12, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * already explained myself on this, i don't trust much a page discussion if the header is still very open to edit. Yonydesk (talk) 02:54, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * That’s a great idea, Katsumi. Chocopuppy (talk) 16:33, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) I'm sick of this discussion if I'm honest, I don't think custom headers are wrong. Juan90980 (talk) 02:39, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * ...and why do you think they're not wrong? Reviweing97Shows (talk) 9:08, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Banning it doesn't help because non-custom headers are considerably generic, boring, and repetitive in every article. HarvettFox96 (talk) 03:47, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Yet you are fine with the generic headers on other non-reception wikis. NJPet (talk) 13:19, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Are we those non-reception wikis? <span style="font-weight: bold; background:blue; -webkit-background-clip:text !important; -webkit-text-fill-color:transparent">The Goose Named Zeus  [[File:ZizouDarkWitch2Spritebutactuallytransparent.png]] (chat) [[File:Sola sprite in Dark Witch 2.png]] (contribs) [[File:Franzer sprite in Dark Witch 2.png]] (CentralAuth) 13:55, 10 April 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Keep them, please. The generic headings are getting really boring and losing its charm after a while. Fortdicted (talk) 13:37, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) I did used to slightly not like custom headers but that changed since I feel it gives the pages more personality and the Why It Rocks/Sucks gets stale. Some articles needs a custom header to not only decorate but also some games may need a better header instead of the generic why it rocks. Pages like Shrek, Spongebob movie 1, Emoji Movie, Doom 2016 and Big Rigs are pretty humourously creative headers and wouldn't be very fun without them. They just need to be regulated more although most of the custom headers are tolerable and people should probably be tolerant. Some people are right with their opinion, I understand this frustration and I do agree there are dumb headers like in Nintendo Switch, 50 shades, Empire Strikes back or GTA IV, they could've been more creative. But I just think the wiki has to be creative at times and reverting this loses this charm, we got the quotes in the infoboxes so why not have fun with headers (if you hav     e                                                                                                                                                                                                                                     the creativity and knowledge)? I do agree that not every page should have custom headers so some suggestions: something like discussions on what custom header this page could have would be a suggestion to regulate or if pages have enough qualities (at least minimum 15 main reasons that are detailed, bad/redeem qualities won't count). Equal One (talk) 17:10, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Thanks for bringing the last two up, I removed them right away. Nonstopmaximum (talk) 18:17, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) You tried this multiple times in the past and it backfired hard. As bad as Duchess was, this was one of the few good things he’s done. Literally like back in September when we had this discussion, the ratio, man. Wow. 13:8 oppose:support. This one is even more brutal. Now, while there are moments where headings can be nonsensical or even put on BQ/GQ, the reason they exist is to make the wiki look less repetitive. Why It Sucks/Rocks being used over and over again is repetitive and boring. Hell, there are actually headers that gave me a chuckle. What you can do instead is if a page has too many header changes, pick one that works the best and stick with it. Lock the page if you must. Just don’t outright ban them again when you know what will happen if you do. Thank you. LifeWasGoodOnHotdogStand talk 22:38, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * how does "reverting" a single piece of text, literally with the SOLE purpose of marking a section, that you stare for just SECONDS before continuing with the page, highly sensitive to subjective edits that can even ignore whatever discussion that takes place on the talk page (similar to the quote wars im the FANDOM era), make a WHOLE network look less repetitive? a thing that takes less than 1% of a page? i can't get behind that over-glorification. i'd be fine if they were regulated but afaik they aren't. if they're being problematic, then IMO "why it rocks/sucks" wins for 1) being already unique and more straight to the point, and 2) having never caused problems for years, since 2013 and only being problematic when literally the idea for custom headers spawned. i REALLY need to see more explanation than just "it makes the wikis look less repetitive". besides, consider that locking is an extreme measure; you're preventing users from doing ANY kind of edit for just what's in the grand scheme of things, a single line. Yonydesk (talk) 23:28, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) This is completely dumb. We are sucking the last bit of fun with QP and brushing it off as "immature" and "childish". The lack of creativity of this network is starting to get bothersome. Make it fun, not boring. It's the same with the new logos, boring, (too) simple. And I will be shooting down all of these reasons for this dumb proposal:
 * 2) "because they make the pages look stupid and immature, and they add nothing to said pages whatsoever." Yeah whatever. You care so much about the pages, but not with the network itself. If I'm being quite frank, the management would look both those things, plus power-hungry. Deny talk page access, make it indefinite for whatever reason, have like 10 threads on the Stewards' Noticeboard. It's a rinse and repeat cycle. This wiki-network has been the center of attention of Miraheze, and not for a good reason. Not to mention that users often break the rule against adding them to Bad/Redeeming Qualities sections as well as Average/Decent pages.
 * 3) ok what? If you're a network admin, you need to think reasonably. This could be something pointed out to the user directly, rather than completely removing probably the only good quality of Qualitipedia. This isn't smart at all, you're like the teacher who takes shit away from the people who did the right thing because one person messed it up. MAKE IT CLEARER. USE COMMENTS.
 * 4) Another problem with them is that users also change the headings of pages every, like, 9 or 10 seconds, like the Funimation page or the Teen Titans GO! page on Terrible Shows Wiki and I had to protect both of the pages because of it. This is honestly a reasonable thing, HOWEVER, this should not justify an entire removal of a good feature just for something that can be solved without going to these measures. This is just terrible. Make Qualitipedia good, not remove any good feature it has. Thank god it at least allows for consensus for changes like this so we can yell at these stupid RfCs. Bukkit (talk) 00:32, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * i gotta preface my response to this by saying that the tone present in this oppose is disgusting, and unfortunately makes your argument harder to digest, especially when you call the RfC stupid directly. i say this as an user who's guilty of having done the same thing months ago. of all of the surprising salt that's been dropped in this RfC, this has to be the saltiest one, even if it goes the appreciable extra step of directly counter-arguing the points made in the proposal itself. i'd be lying if i said i'm not dropping some subtle salt of my own in my answer to this too.
 * 1) i don't see the correlation on the quote and the argument that follows? we're doing a change for qualitipedia, not for miraheze as a whole. guess i'm supposed to take some words from the intro...
 * 2) *if you say removing a word swap from a header will suck out all the fun in a network of wikis filled with entertainment blogs, talk pages and user pages, rabbit hole-esque factor, users that give some good talk and insights on news, more areas for fun potential (i.e. quotes in infoboxes, our templates (like the featured or good article ones) that change their character and quote between wikis, etc.) some leftover personality from the FANDOM era that's not been moderated yet and additionaly that same network is eventually going to get a graphic overhaul (i think? at least the logo), then i don't know what to say here.
 * 3) you bring a decent point, although i think most of the time the reason is pointed out. the point SSK brings is not that though, it's that it's starting to be too much for the staff to handle. whether is the "right thing" or not is kinda the subject of this RfC too. also again, if you think custom headers is the only "good quality" of QP then idk.
 * 4) if feature is being problematic, feature is better gone. especially if feature is open to heavy subjectivity and "what quote of this game/movie/show would be better to reference?"-esque scenarios, that's about it. Yonydesk (talk) 01:11, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * You bring good points, however the header is creative, and to be honest, I have barely any salt about the recent situations; to be frank I don't really care about it, however, the management is merely not as good as you may think it is. Again, this is just my opinion, try to persuade me all you want, I still like the creativity of the custom headers. Bukkit (talk) 01:28, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * i see the merit on the creativity of some headers too, but at the same time i strongly believe in the fact that if some feature is causing trouble and has proven to be not very manageable, then it's better gone for the greater good. appreciating something for what it is, and appreciating its stability (or foresight), are two things that can go together. would you consider keeping something based on its stability, or its merits/creativity? Yonydesk (talk) 01:38, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) I have had enough. Didn't we already decide the headers are allowed? why are we debating on whether to keep them again? John 127 (talk)  12:39, 26 March 2022‎ (UTC)
 * the reasons that justify the existence of this RfC are already stated on the proposal itself. i recommend you to give them a read. Yonydesk (talk) 15:26, 26 March 2022 (UTC)
 * said in this RfC that for the time they will not be banned. They never said custom headers will never be banned. As much as I disagree with banning them, I don't think it's disruptive to create another RfC about this. FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 00:12, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) It's pointless to remove custom headers. The Dunkman (talk) 06:00, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * , not trying to sound rude or anything, but why are removing custom headers pointless? Chocopuppy (talk) 21:43, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) I like being creative. Kramirez0113 (talk) 17:29, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
 * ...and that explains why we should keep custom headers how? Atleast go in depth about how YOU being creative is why we should keep them. Reviweing97Shows (talk) 8:51, 8 April 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Not only have I seen creative custom headers, I've seen some that perfectly fit the subject a page is talking about and have even made me laugh, I would be very disappointed to see that attention to detail entirely removed and censored. Beautifulsky (talk) 23:13, 12 April 2022 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1)  While is terribly annoying and all, I think all we need to do is moderate them and control them. The King of Dice(Talk|Contributions|Q&A|CentralAuth) 20:48, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * imo if some minor feature is enough of a problem that mods must be always rallying behind to regulate things, then it can be reasonably prohibited for being problematic. custom headers fit in that category, especially when mods themselves are starting to speak on the problem's nature. Yonydesk (talk) 22:41, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * I agree that things like this can be reasonably prohibited for being problematic. However, could we at least continue protecting the pages, and if it continues to be a big issue, we can get them banned? FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 01:28, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * that's for the RfC to decide now. in their current state, i think they have been enough of an issue to be banned. Yonydesk (talk) 02:30, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) While it can be annoying at times, I think we should just add moderation and control to them. BlakeIsHere458 (talk) 21:26, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  Honestly, your right. These headers are starting to infuriate me. But if we remove them, headers will become plain and I'll dislike that. So, if we add fair moderation and control to them, we can stop it.  Reviweing97Shows (talk) 22:12, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
 * Newer addition: Also stop adding capital letters unless necessary. Reviweing97Shows (talk) 9:57, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * do headers really have to be very stylized? they're like, aesthetically, one of the least important parts of a qp page imo, like, i go to a page to read its content, not for the header. at the end of the day every page using Why It Rocks/Sucks or an actual good custom header is the same shit for me, but due to custom headers being very sensitive and open for edits, some cause me cringe. they're better gone for me, because attempts for moderation control... eh i can't trust it after the ones that already took place. Yonydesk (talk) 02:30, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) While some custom headers can be annoying, maybe a different approach can be taken. How about custom headers have to, one, be an obvious reference to the page in question. Two, not have all caps, bold letters, or anything that would make it stand out from normal headers, and three, not be too long in length. And of course, custom headers are still not applicable to decent/average pages. Moisty (talk) (CentralAuth) | Posted at 13:23:27, 25 March 2022 (EDT)
 * 2) I'm a little mixed with this RfC at the moment. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) (contribs) 16:14, 25 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 3) Same as the above. yea im lazy asf NewAccountLOL (talk) 02:31, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 4) I have the same opinions as most of the users above, I think we need better moderation to prevent the endless amount of pointless edit warring that many people have been getting into all over these headings, banning them all together would make all the pages look the same. JigglypuffGuy04 (talk) contribs 22:17, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
 * "look the same" is an exaggeration because pages have different content. modifying a single text line doesn't add that much variety. Yonydesk (talk) 21:55, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) They are simply something aesthetic, I don't see why they should be removed. JXDHJ (talk) 12:54, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 2)  Yeah tbh, I'm fine with the first headers, but not everything in a page needs to be customised. So there's my verdict I guess Ninjacleod89 (talk) 17:42, 30 March 2022 (UTC)
 * 3)  For me I am very neutral as there are both good and bad things about custom headers, as I know that some can be funny to read, or some are just stupid,  they are also sometimes creative or other times they cause edit wars, some may like these headers because they are fun and some hate them for being childish, some put custom headers in new pages that they made and some put them in pre-existing pages and that gets users annoyed, some headers are smart and some are just dumb. For me, it is very hard whether I like them or not, because there are a lot of pros and cons to them. They also seem to have come and gone throughout the times (but thank God users don't do those extremely stupid headers way back a long time ago for example like those headers on horrible Vyond wiki, "WHY *Insert thing* IS THE WORST DAMM THING AND ITS A BITCHY BUTTHURT BABY AHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!) This is why I stand Neutral here, but I think they should be allowed on pages if the original creator of that page allows it so that way it would reduce abusing it. Gilimaster69 (talk) 02:43, 8 April 2022 (UTC)