Requests for Comment/Delete the NSFW and NSFL templates from all Reception Wikis

{{ClosedRfC|I've taken the liberty of closing this; even if 5 more people miraculously showed up to support, it would not be a usable majority to pass with. Removing these templates entirely is not a community favored option. However, there appears to be a strong current for keeping just one and improving how the usage works. So that idea could be made as a different RfC, or the details could be ironed out in blog form first. In the meantime admins can feel free to review current use and deal with cases where using either/both templates is clearly inappropriate. Either way I think we have what we need here. I will defer if a Leader disagrees. --Raidarr (talk) 18:09, 16 September 2021 (UTC)|A while ago on Crappy Games Wiki, I made a poll about whether or not the NSFW and NSFL templates from all of our wikis, but most users voted "no", so I thought that making a page here about the subject would be much more effective, since I discussed on CGW instead of Meta Qualitipedia since I didn't know about the latter until later.

The reason why both of these templates should go is because they're unnecessary, they often clog up pages, some of the pages don't even need them, they don't even show any graphically violent or pornographic content, and they also cause users to get into edit wars, like that one time where I deleted the templates from a few SpongeBob episode pages on Terrible TV Shows Wiki, but another user kept adding it back and started edit warring, which resulted in them getting blocked for a few days and I had to protect those pages because of it.

If anyone thinks these templates, then feel free to support, but those who want them to stay, well... you know what to do. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 4:45, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  We don't have porn or gore on our pages, so it's pointless to have them TigerBlazer (talk) 17:15, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  Aside from a few pages (such as Red Seeks Help), they're mostly used on family-oriented content. Thus making them redundant (PS, I'm Milcery229, my account got hacked so I had to move) Phonicfriends103 (talk) 19:00, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 3)  I had a caveat regarding NSFW templates (useful to mark games or content dedicated to NSFW material), but it's not really necessary and can simply be reflected with a good opening description. --Raidarr (talk) 10:49, 12 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 4)  I don't really see a need for these templates. Most pages that are marked with these templates don't even contain any content (ie pornography, cheesecake (not the food kind), intense gore, etc.) that would warrant the templates, therefore making their placement useless. Marxo Grouch  (talk) 18:59, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 5)  We only describe this content as text, rather than present it in the form of images/videos, so I see no reason to use these templates, and in addition, these wikis are not directed towards children. Allistayrian (talk) 19:04, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 6)  These templates are far overused, and our pages don't even contain NSFW content aside from text as a bunch of users mentioned above. --Blazikeye535 (talk) 20:11, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 7)  Never saw a reason for these to exist. Just because the show's NSFW doesn't mean the page is. SleepParalysisDemon (talk) 21:57, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 8)  I partially agree and disagree. I could potentially see a use for NSFW if the page has images of gore or something of the like. But on the other hand, "NSFL" seems completely redundant to me and I really see no reason to keep it as long as NSFW exists, and of course pages detailing mature content shouldn't automatically be marked NSFW. So TLDR: Keep NSFW, remove NSFL, and put some restrictions on NSFW to ensure proper usage.ShortBusShawty (talk) 00:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 9)  Useless templates that clutter up the top of many pages. More so for the NSFL template since it's more or less a copy of NSFW. Nonstopmaximum (talk) 02:08, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 10)  To be honest, there is really no need to have them since there is no Porn/R34 or Gore on the pages, & they don’t show any harm to those wikis. BTNF 1998 (talk) 11:19, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  They're necessary for pages that describe NSFW and/or NSFL content. Fortdicted (talk) 00:24, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  If some people have had traumatic experiences in their pasts that certain pages might provoke memories of due to the content that they contain, then there should certainly be a disclaimer included to alert them about anything in the page that might do so. Cecilia1945 (talk) (UTC)
 * 3)  What if somebody decides to search up the media form for investigation, finds a video and get's traumatized? At least we should advise that ceirtan game or movie have that type of content.  King Dice ( Talk)
 * 4)  I do not agree with the decision to remove such important headers. There are pages that benefit from this such as the Elsagate article, Doctor games, Duke nukem Forever, 50 shades of grey, Migonnes as they warn readers the content of article. However some are unecessary such as Half life 2 (violence is tame), Mortal Kombat 2011, X and 11 (NSFL is not really fitting rating). Though if really needed, we could have mini warnings (For example a shock content warning or obscene warning) for that content and such template could be used if the article describes those things in detail. I can see why you think this but I don't think removing them outright is good thing, it could be modified to warn what specifically is not safe about the article (like how the delete template gives an option to put reason for removal), or the nsfw tag could be merged with nsfl. Techsupport Agent 05 ( Talk)
 * 5)  No. If we do, we could make a bot to delete it. MarioBobFan
 * 6)  It's necessary for pages that really need it, like Amorous and RapeLay. The7Guy (talk) 00:04, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 7)  We NEED these templates, because there is a lot of pages that contain inappropriate and unsettling pages, and these templates are essential to be on there, like Sad Satan, Demonophobia, Super Columbine Massacre RPG. StalkerGamer (talk) 18:59, 13 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 8)  Axing the NSFW and NSFL templates altogether would be a horrible idea, as there are pages that really need those templates. MatthewThePrep (talk) 00:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 9)  NSFW and NSFL warnings are extremely important. All kinds of people will read these wikis and if they find certain themes disturbing or unpleasant, regardless of whether or not it is said in text, they should definitely be warned. The idea of removing these templates is just cruel if anything. Musicismylife (talk) 06:03, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 10)  No, never remove these templates. These are important. VERY important.  WindowsViennaFish2010 (talk) 07:03, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 11)  So you want kids, including teenagers, to be traumatized by removing them, right? The Dunkman (talk)
 * 12)  Both NSFW and NSFL warning could allow the reader to make decision about if they choose to continue reading. What we should do is to create a guideline to instruct the wiki editors how and when to use them. HeartsofLight (talk) 06:07, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 13)  especially for the NSFW template. It is helpful to readers (if they wish to keep reading) of objectionable content, especially if they are at work. Eyesnore (talk) 17:51, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 14)  In my opinion, these templates should still be needed to protect the younger ones. It should still be removed from some sites, e.g. Baidu. Onmp314 (talk) 18:45, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 15) * Also, just to prevent anybody arguing with this because "kids aren't allowed on the wiki", they still can read pages. Musicismylife (talk) 23:47, 15 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 16)  I see absolutely no reason for removing them. Blubabluba9990 (talk) 20:33, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1) Remove  but keep  . Not really sure which section this should go in. WrongOpinionWiki (talk) 12:05, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) Remove  but keep  . Since NSFW pretty much covered everything NSFL was designated for, so it's pretty reduntdant to having both templates in a single page. Kringe (talk) 22:55, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Regulating NSFW and NSFL templates
You can options for how to improve them if you believe they should stay.

Suggestions

 * Based on the logic of oppositions and my previous statements, I think a good compromise would be eliminating NSFL as unnecessary extra, but keeping NSFW to strictly indicate games with pornographic or otherwise quite unsafe content, perhaps with an accompanied bit of text to offer slight details on why the template was added to include areas that were previously under NSFL. This would be far more manageable already and easier to curate for actually following its purpose than two often duplicate use templates. --Raidarr (talk) 20:51, 13 September 2021 (UTC)}}