Requests for Comment/Stop listing sequels and prequels in the infotables

A lot of people on these wikis list sequels and prequels incorrectly in the infotables. A sequel is a work that continues the narrative of a previous work, and a prequel is a work that's set before the previous work. A lot of users are getting that wrong, however.

Some examples.


 * 1) The Phantom Menace's page on the Awful Movies Wiki lists Return of the Jedi as a prequel by release. Episode I came out after Episode VI, but it's also set before Episode VI, so Episode I is a prequel to VI, not vice versa.
 * 2) Cars' page on the Greatest Movies Wiki lists Ratatouille as a sequel by release date while still also listing Cars 2 as a sequel. It also lists The Incredibles as a prequel. Just because Cars is from the same studio as The Incredibles and Ratatouille, doesn't mean they're from the same franchise.
 * 3) Monsters, Inc.'s page on the Greatest Movies Wiki lists Monsters University as a chronological prequel, but also lists it as a sequel by release date. You don't call a prequel to something a sequel by release date. A prequel coming out after the previous work is what makes it a prequel.
 * 4) Shrek 2's page on the Greatest Movies Wiki lists Shrek as a prequel. It's true that Shrek takes place before Shrek 2, but it was also released before Shrek 2, so the correct term is "predecessor," not "prequel."
 * 5) Lightyear's page on the Awful Movies Wiki lists Toy Story 4 as a prequel. Lightyear is a spin-off. It's not a sequel or prequel to the Toy Story films, or vice versa. Plus, in the Toy Story universe, Lightyear was released before the events of all four films.

Overall, I think we should just not list sequels and prequels in the infotables. It gets very confusing, and it's not something that Wikipedia lists in their infotables. They either just mention sequels, prequels, and spinoffs in the intro paragraph of the page, or make a header on the page about them. DeadPixel (talk) 21:47, 30 July 2022 (UTC)

EIDT: I've been reading some of the votes on here, and while I still don't think the infotable is the best place to list sequels and prequels, I guess I did kind of overreact about this issue. I am officially renouncing my support for this RfC. However, I think the staff of these wikis should still publicly address this issue. If an admin is reading this message, you can go ahead and mark this RfC as unsuccessful. DeadPixel (talk) 01:27, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  As proposer. DeadPixel (talk) 21:47, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) I think they could just be discussed in the lead section of the page. FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 03:05, 31 July 2022 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) I find it unnecessary to remove it, although if something is a prequel but it was made after a movie there if you should put a release date and chronologically,also if a movie is from a studio (like Pixar) and they make a movie after a movie, it should put "[Insert Movie] (release date)". Rem69 00:18, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) Just educate users on how to list them properly. You listed examples on the issue, what the problem is, and what is necessary to fix it (which does not require us to remove the listings). There’s a clear consensus on what to do, so why is this necessary? Moisty (talk) (CentralAuth) | Posted at 03:40:35, 31 July 2022 (UTC) Yup4au.png
 * As you pointed out in the RfC, those parameters can simply be changed to "predecessor" and "successor" to broaden them up a bit. Since most pages on QP have at least one of these parameters, having to remove the two parameters would be an ungodly amount of work since the Replace text tool won't be able to fully remove them, forcing us to have to remove them manually. --Blazikeye535 (talk) 05:17, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Personally I think it should be something like "previous film" and "sequel," not "predecessor" and "successor" since that is technically more accurate. FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 21:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * As they said though, couldn't that just be in the lead section? FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 21:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)
 * 1) Removing them is rather unnecessary, I suggest educating users on how to list them properly just like what Moisty said, as things like this can easily be taken care of. DragoniteSignatureImage.png Dragonitetypeface.png]] DragoniteTalk.png]] DragoniteContribs.png]] 09:25, 31 July 2022 (UTC)
 * Alright then, never mind. I guess you could just change it to "previous film" and "sequel." FatBurn0000 (sandbox | CentralAuth) 21:43, 1 August 2022 (UTC)

Abstain

 * 1) I don't really care about the outcome.  22:42, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 2) If you allow me I don't think a formal RfC was necessary to conclude the fate of the, let's say, "feature", you want to change. The issue sounds like a very minor thing that you could take care of on your own with enough reasons (like the ones you provided here) to let the other contributors know that they did something wrong.  23:45, 30 July 2022 (UTC)
 * 3) Per Zangler. Just educate other contributors on how to deal with this relatively minor thing. Marxo Grouch  (talk) 23:56, 30 July 2022 (UTC)