Requests for Comment/Ban custom headings on Qualitipedia

{{ClosedRfC|Clearly this is a mixed issue, but in the end it looks like custom headers will continue to be allowed. Note that they may be locked down on certain pages in the event of edit wars, and if there is a recurring issue with this they may end up blocked anyway. But for the time being this will not happen. Users should not go out of their way to remove them - only clean them up as needed and if there is a dispute, bring it to the local Talk page and sort it out, or wait for an admin so they can make a decision on the page.

DarkMatterMan has agreed to closing this via Discord, so thank you all for your input. --Raidarr (talk) 21:53, 16 September 2021 (UTC) Okay, so I am making this request for comment on this specific subject mainly because of how tired I am of looking at unprofessional headers as users have become prone to edit warring, and I have finally decided that enough is enough of this type of disruption. We were much better off without custom headings in the first place. Ever since my arrival here on Miraheze back in January 2020, there's been problems that are very hard to fix (which could've been avoided without resorting to disruption, confusion and delay), and the custom heading warring happens to be one of those issues. Honestly, I'm not the only one who thinks this is getting ridiculous, as it would take us a long time to replace those annoying headers with the normal ones. Please be civil when voting, and any drama here will result in a warning and if it continues, then a block MAY be handed out. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 22:45, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  I know I've saud this multiple times, but I think custom headers should go away because they're stupid, they're not funny, they kinda make me cringe, and they don't add anything to a page. Plus, like DarkMatterMan said, they're guaranteed to result in edit warring, and they also break the rules about not adding these types of headings to "Bad/Redeeming Qualities" sections as well as Average/Decent pages. SuperStreetKombat (talk) 12:54, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  per nominator. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 22:45, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 3)  Yeah, was neutral about them. They were okay at first but then we had cheesy headers, some that are like too overly long than needed (Minecraft AWG header example) and just feel too gimmicky (Among us, TF2 headers). If there is a reason to keep them it is that they at least make "Why It Rocks" less boring, the custom header did make the games pages feel more awesome and like they are worth something. Maybe it could be exempt for pages that are well written although that would be hard to control and to specify if deserves that title. It is understandable to revert this change, to make things simpler. Techsupport Agent 05 (talk) 2:35, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 4) * The one who removed the custom headings from those pages you mentioned here. I completely agree with you on the flaws of those headers. The Minecraft heading felt like mentioning two things rather than one, the Among Us heading relied on a tawdry joke, and the TF2 heading didn't really follow the structure of the base heading "Why It Rocks" (the heading even lacked the word "why"). Marxo Grouch (talk) 02:52, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 5) They need to be banned because of the edit wars and many people used them on average media or B/RQ sections of the page. I have even contributed in a edit war on Ressha Sentai ToQqer page on TS&EW. Just look a the revision history of that page! NJPet (talk) 06:29, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 6) I think we need to regulate it more. If we can't do that, well, let's remove it. The7Guy (talk) 06:33, 9 September 2021
 * 7) I don't think they're very helpful. I do think I need to do some work to make RfC's an official thing here, however. --Raidarr (talk) 10:30, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 8) A lot of them are cringeworthy and unfunny sounding and often just boil down to uncreative statements like "Why It's Not X". --Blazikeye535 (talk) 20:29, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 9)  They're lame, immature, and sometimes don't even make sense. This is the kind of stuff that only the pre-teen userbase would find amusing. We can do better than this. Nonstopmaximum (talk) 04:06, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1) Custom headers made pages more interesting and makes things less boring and repetitive throughout the wikis, and DuchessTheSponge agrees with me. It also makes the wikis more creative and fun. User:DectableCord58 (talk)
 * 2) Custom headers should be given a chance as they can give the pages their own unique identity, they just need to be properly and firmly regulated. User:JoJoTheMediaLover123 (talk)
 * 3) Please do not ban custom headers. The custom headers make the pages feel unique and bring them personality. Banning them so will possibly result in loss of audiences, and pages being repetitive and formulaic. User:Maxkatzur (talk)
 * 4) The custom headers are what make the pages unique and distinctively artistic. Removing it would make the pages feel bland. User:Upperdecker2562 (talk)
 * 5) We were literally being criticised for this. Without having custom headers, pages will be very repetitive and bland. Musicismylife (talk) 05:42, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 6) That makes everything look worse WindowsViennaFish2010 (talk) 08:27, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 7) I don't want this being remove but some rules about what is allowed or not allowed are needed. CrusaderPrime (talk) 16:34, 9 September 2021 (GBT)
 * 8) I thing we just need to regulate them King Dice (talk) 17:52, 9 September 2021 (GBT)
 * 9) If custom headers exist, each page would not be as boring as hell. They need to be controlled, though. JrStudios (talk) 18:14, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 10) I don't think custom headings should be completely banned. I agree that they shouldn't be abused or used for every single page, but what I don't agree with is them being completely banned. The ones that are particularly immature or unnecessary should be removed, yes. But not all of them, because custom headings help the pages be more unique and have much more personality. Not to mention how being able to give the pages custom headings helps make them much more creative and having every page simply say "Why It Sucks" or "Why It Rocks" gets very repetitive after a while. So overall, while I do agree that they shouldn't be abused, I completely disagree with the idea of them being entirely prohibited. Cecilia1945 (talk)
 * 11) * It doesn't change the fact that they have been abused on a regular basis. DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 19:00, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 12) * Then maybe we should just remove the ones that are used abusively. Cecilia1945 (talk
 * The difficulty here is trying to play whack a mole as admins where it shouldn't be needed, the various standards of what people care for in a title (some users like, others find immature, at least using one all one way doesn't tend to get a rise like that) and on the user end, combining both to make potential edit wars and needlessly lock pages (per oppose 11) or perform moderation tasks on people who would otherwise be perfectly reasonable. "just regulate them" is going to get messy with the rules already in place, the rules set to come to Qualitipedia soon that I have involvement with and the fact going out of our way to regulate it will somewhat curb the fun it was supposed to be in the first place. But regardless I will open a tangent proposal on this page for the matter. --Raidarr (talk) 08:43, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 1) If the users on The New Reception Wiki think they are making us look better, than I say they stay. Plus, they make us look more fun. TigerBlazer (talk) 19:35, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 2) *As a member of TNRW, 'the users' are not a united group, and only a handful of editors have even participated in the page to hold this opinion. I'd take the volume of opposition here more seriously than that wiki. Believe in their argumentation, not position of authority that they do not have. --Raidarr (talk) 08:43, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 3) If the TTG page header is constantly changing then lock the page so only admins can edit until you feel it is appropriate to unlock it again. LifeWasGoodOnHotdogStand (talk) 9/9/21 16:54 pm (EDT)
 * 4) I think that most custom headers are creative. We don't have to ban custom headers. User:TheArdArda

Abstain

 * 1)  I see custom headings as both a creative tool and an abusable privilege. If we were to keep them, my most recommended course of action, per the above, would be to place restrictions on the custom headers. Marxo Grouch  (talk) 02:40, 10 September 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  I don't know what to chose as  in one hand  some are  creative on the other hand, it is filler but I dont know as i dont want edit war-Gilimaster69
 * There's an easy to allow custom headers whilst preventing edit warring: either by community discussion or with administrator discretion, adopt a policy or administrator convention whereby if a user changes a header, it's allowed until someone reverts them or challenges the header change. If the user reverts the reversion, the user should be warned and guided to discuss the header change on the companion talk page. If they persist, they may be blocked from editing on that wiki only. Dmehus (talk) 18:57, 16 October 2021 (UTC)
 * Dmehus This RfC was already closed, if you could already tell. I'm afraid you're a little late, as this was closed. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 10:00, 17 October 2021 (UTC)

Regulating custom headings
Due to the controversy of outright deletion and the fact multiple users suggested this, I will hold this section for people to offer ideas what sort of rules would be made to make moderating custom headings easier, ideally without being too intrusive to editors or neutering their 'fun' purpose. If a particular idea gets traction and the above fails, it will have its own section to post here. Suggest and discuss those ideas here, and anything general to the proposal can still go in the Comments section. Thank you. --Raidarr (talk) 08:47, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Suggestions
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 * 1) It would be a good idea to restrict custom headings to only featured articles. Or rather allow only the admins to add them. Or if this can't be done then remove all custom headings as a protective measure. Marxo Grouch  (talk) 20:45, 13 September 2021 (UTC)