Requests for Comment/Make a rule against posting comments, blogs, topics, etc. about suicide or depression on all Qualitipedia wikis

{{ClosedRfC|Closing this as {{notdone|not done}}, for obvious reasons. For starters, this would make us look like we don't care about the victims, and I have to agree with the people who have opposed this RfC with concerns, especially with my two cents on this serious topic, not to mention the number of abstains this particular RfC has received. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 14:51, 30 December 2021 (UTC)|Now, lately, there's been a ton of users like Larryding, Hamzat213, or PredatorAlienGirl, who've been posting suicidal comments or just comments about depression, which is really getting really repititive and annoying and sensitive topics like that have no place on this wiki.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not against talking about suicide or depression in general, but I don't think that Qualitipedia is really the right place to be bringing up overly sensitive topics like the two I've just mentioned, and I really think it needs to stop, because of how surprisingly common it's become.

Because of everything I've just mentioned above, what say we put an end to all of this by making a rule against bringing up sensitive topics like suicide, depression, or the like on all of Qualitipedia? SuperStreetKombat (talk) 01:36, 16 December 2021 (UTC)

Support

 * 1)  I think this would be most useful regarding blogs and other posts about incredibly heavy topics which aren't obviously off topic to their context. There are other platforms which reasonably block these subjects entirely because they bring down the tone of the platform and are outright off topic, not to mention the wikis are no place to adequately handle the problems. If you have depression in particular it is best to consider the wikis as an outlet to do good with and cope with it, not try to resolve it directly. For comments and topics for the most part, they could already be knocked off as off topic and too heavy for the wikis, with suggestions to consider professional help. So while I don't think it's an urgent rule and the issues that have cropped up could be handled fine with the current ruleset and discretion, it would be reasonable to add anyway. --Raidarr (talk) 12:54, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  It has been said but to reiterate, Qualitipedia is a place to criticise media, not so different purpose from other critics. It wasn't designed as a place for people to vent about mental struggles (especially considering the current maturity of the community). Though it doesn't exclude people from using these places as a coping mechanism to deal with their problems without being vocal about them. There's no dedicated venting place on the wikis themselves (barring #the-serious-room on the Discord server (though rarely, maybe never used for these purposes)). It'd be nice if there was a venting corner but given Miraheze Wiki format, it doesn't seem viable in a practical way.
 * NOTE: I consider this important for staff if they're gonna apply the rule after the RfC. In cases like these, I think it should be made clear that rule enforcement and sensitivity don't exclude each other in a warning or ban. That's the principle in which such rule is based in most formal places: you can enforce a rule and at the same time, be sensitive and supportive with the person who's offending the rule if the situation propiciates such case: for example, if a person comes to CGW to talk about their suicide thoughts, you (mod/admin/bureaucrat) can start by being supportive, and giving them simple advise like where to go to talk about their issues (i.e. professional help such as therapists or suicide prevention lifelines) and at the end talk about the rule.
 * I know not everyone is able or willing to totally help and ""heal"" a person in such situations (we're internet strangers after all) but sensitivity IS needed in cases like these as it'll be beneficial to both parties. You don't have to be so robotic in your approach with a suicidal person speaking about their suicidal thoughts if they go agaisnt the rules, because in most cases that worsens their mental state and YOU WILL be responsible for that. It's common sense.
 * That said, I conclude that I support adding such rule to the wikis but with a sensitive approach. --Yonydesk (talk) 19:27, 27 December 2021 (UTC)

Oppose

 * 1)  I definitely think this kind of thing should be limited, but I don't think it should be banned as a whole. FatBurn0000 (talk) 23:10, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  This sounds a little over the top, don't you think? For one thing, suicide is a VERY serious subject, so banning comments on that would be pretty moot. --DarkMatterMan4500 (talk) 23:17, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
 * Banning shouldn't be a black-and-white in which you either don't ban them for their own good or ban them worsening their state. As I explained, you can both enforce a rule and be sensitive with the person you're warning/banning. --Yonydesk (talk) 19:34, 27 December 2021 (UTC)
 * 1)  as while a few users have caused trouble by threatening to do it, outright banning comments related to suicide is a little overboard and the issue is highly serious. Marxo Grouch  (talk) 20:49, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
 * 2)  Too serious of a topic to ban outright in my opinion. ZeusDeeGoose (talk) 00:36, 30 December 2021 (UTC)
 * I'd argue that "too serious" is actually a reason for it to be banned (note my justifications on my support reason though). Strong topics that derail from the purposes of a site shouldn't be encouraged(I mean it in blogs and such, not in more private spaces like chat between two people) especially since we don't have a dedicated practical space to discuss more reality-based things, hope I got that across. --Yonydesk (talk) 01:13, 30 December 2021 (UTC)

Abstain
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 * : This depends on how the rule handles these types of comments/posts. If it restricts them, like disallowing talking about it excessively, then sure. Outright banning any sort of mention, however, comes across as overly harsh and insensitive. --Blazikeye535 (talk) 04:44, 19 December 2021 (UTC)
 * : Well this is tricky, its just how it its handled, but banning talk about mental heath issues, I don't know, just doesn't seem right, it makes us look unsympathetic.  -- Gilimaster69 (talk) 18:26, 19 December 2021 (UTC)